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Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 21:48

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

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Friars23 · 28/05/2022 20:13

@ENoeuf, thank you very much for that helpful info. I wasn’t at all clear when the video was taken. So it was taken around the time he started to find out he lost millions. I think I might be slamming a few kitchen cabinets too during such a period!

ENoeuf · 28/05/2022 22:08

@Friars23 no problem it's useful to understand the context - I'd be furious too!

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MrsDoubtfireForever · 28/05/2022 22:17

IrisVersicolor · 28/05/2022 14:26

I agree with this.

Except that it has become clear along the way that Depp’s finances were in a poor state. His financial advisor told him so when he was still with Heard. I found the info on his spending mind boggling - it’s clear that he is out of control on every level. I think money is one of the motivations for this law suit.

I don’t really know why he’s feted as such a great actor - he creates caricatures for fantasy children’s films.

I also think this. He is after money. He wants to ruin Amber on global stage and he is unreliable witness as cannot remember anything due to drink and drugs. I also think if I was with someone like that that I’d film them to show them what they’re like when they’re sober. I’ve filmed my DH’s snoring before!!! ‘What sort of person does this?” asked Camille. And I thought, me! I have!

I believe Amber Heard.

StormzyinaTCup · 28/05/2022 22:48

is unreliable witness as cannot remember anything due to drink and drugs
How convenient.

I’ve filmed my DH’s snoring before!!!
Are you planning on trying to use said photo to extort money from your DH or provide it as evidence in court that he is an abuser. In which case good luck with that.

He wants to ruin Amber on global stage
Who broke the NDA with an Op Ed piece?

She doesn't have £50m or even a fraction of that, he has a substantial property portfolio including a village in France and a private island so I think he will be OK. It's not about the money.

Greyhop · 29/05/2022 05:20

From The Independent yesterday:

In the trial, we watched a woman sob as she recounted several alleged sexual assaults perpetrated by her ex-husband. The response? She was ridiculed for “overacting” and “tearless crying”. We listened to her descriptions of the attacks – the graphic details she had to deliver to a packed courtroom and a global audience. The reaction? Pinocchio filters added to recordings of her testimony. We looked on as she whispered, “I don’t want to do this anymore… I can’t believe I’m having to do this.” The reply on social media? Derision and the creation of memes mocking her facial expressions.

There were no special measures in the court. She had to take the stand, directly facing the alleged perpetrator – who, at one point, smirked during her testimony. The court was so lax that as the woman left the stand for the morning break, she almost ran into the alleged perpetrator as he was leaving the room.

Greyhop · 29/05/2022 05:22

It turns out that all we should have learned in the five years since the #MeToo movement went viral is that it means sweet FA if it’s a popular, fanciable celebrity bloke that’s in the frame. How bone-achingly, soul-grindingly depressing.

Don’t worry, I already know the likely response to this article. Why can’t #MeToo-ers understand that men can also be victims of domestic violence? Bloody hell, women can be so sexist! And of course Depp was smirking during his ex-wife’s testimony – wouldn’t you laugh in disbelief if someone was telling outrageous lies about you in court?

Greyhop · 29/05/2022 05:24

But that’s the thing about celebrities like Johnny Depp, the ones who’ve been around for decades. They become part of our lives, playing a significant role in our memories of times gone by. We make them rich through our desire to know them – perhaps even imagining that we do have some connection with them -- and they’re in our homes via our screens on a regular basis.

Their physical appearances and voices are so familiar that we mistakenly believe we truly know the private human behind the famous face. But we don’t. And we can’t.

Yet the Depp v Heard defamation trial has proved polarising. Righteous Depp defenders spit misogynistic insults at Heard, claiming that they don’t hate women – and many members of Team Depp are women – they just hate Amber Heard for ruining Johnny’s life with her lies.

Greyhop · 29/05/2022 05:25

Never mind that Depp has already lost the libel case he brought against The Sun for labelling him a “wife beater”. Never mind that there’s already a High Court ruling that he did assault his wife – or that his appeal to overturn the verdict was rejected. Ignore the vile text messages calling Heard “the slippery w* that I donated my j** to for a while” and a dictionary of other misogynistic profanities.

Greyhop · 29/05/2022 05:26

Would Heard have received the same understanding if she’d brought a pack of Haribo to pass around the legal team during opposing testimonies? Or if she drew portraits on Post-its for the matey approval of her lawyer? Give over. She’d have been absolutely flayed on social media for disrespecting the proceedings and trivialising and undermining witness testimonies.

#RIPMeToo.

MrsDoubtfireForever · 29/05/2022 07:39

Agree @Greyhop the levels of misogyny have been cataclysmic. We’re going backwards.

vegang · 29/05/2022 07:48

Apparently neither of them will be there for the verdict

KTheGrey · 29/05/2022 08:39

@vegang
Do you think they have other engagements or is it pure fear? I hope they are both going to be with some good supportive friends or family.

vegang · 29/05/2022 08:49

KTheGrey · 29/05/2022 08:39

@vegang
Do you think they have other engagements or is it pure fear? I hope they are both going to be with some good supportive friends or family.

I think fear. If Johnny loses, I'd be scared for Amber leaving the courthouse and they probably won't want their reactions recorded either

ENoeuf · 29/05/2022 09:15

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4558312-part-6-keeping-it-civil-the-depp-heard-jury-is-out

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StormzyinaTCup · 29/05/2022 09:16

#MenToo

@Greyhop - If your son/brother/nephew came to you and said he was being abused by his partner would you disbelieve him and tell him to 'man up', because for you it's all about the #MeToo movement and nothing else matters. She has been caught out lying more than once, has perjured herself more than once, accused all his witnesses (inc LAPD) of lying. If she loses this case then yes I think it could well be #RIPMeToo.

As his attorney said in her closing statement 'This is MeToo without any MeToo'. I have watched all six weeks of the trial and when she says the jury need to 'Believe all of it it or believe none of it' I'd have to go with the latter.

FrippEnos · 29/05/2022 09:20

Greyhop

Yes the opinion pieces in various newspapers have increased since she has replaced her PR people.

Her team lost SM and are now going for MSM.

Whatever she does she will have very little public support on account of her own actions, and JD won't win the case because of his.

mynamesnotMa · 29/05/2022 10:00

So now we are at it's her fault he was abusive. Wow? I know he has a fan base and I am as stupid as you are to even argue with you. But your your continuing justification of an abuser is utterly abhorrent to victims around the world.

Whatever happens or the verdict his out of control ego brought this on. I am sure there will be more stories. He couldn't care less about money it's about making her pay for standing up to him.

As for wheeling out the loyal party exes to say no he didn't hit me OK then that's great buy then saying they talked him down. Are you insane again blaming her. For his violent outbursts now? Now it's all his mothers fault never his...classic abusers language.

I hope to god you aren't raising boy's. I can't believe such deluded sexism on a women's support group.

I hope he never works again. Regardless of the verdict. Enough people don't fancy an aging drug addled pirate to be objective. She'll never move on from what he's put her through.

unctuousunicorns1 · 29/05/2022 10:23

"we watched a woman sob"

Oh hahahaha. The fuck she was "sobbing". If anybody thinks that they must have been watching a different channel. Screwing ones face up, sniffing and ostentatiously dabbing ones eyes and nose with a dry tissue do not equate to genuine weeping. It was so obviously fake that I thought for one moment that I must have stumbled on an episode of Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

I understand now exactly why JD wanted this entire ugly trial televised, warts and all. And by Christ, has it shown far more of JD's warts than AH's. Every metaphorical boil on his metaphorical arse. But it's given me and many others the opportunity to see, watch and listen to the evidence as presented and make our own minds up.

Myself, I started contributing to this thread by admitting that I was trying my best to be neutral despite having many JD films in my home. And in my heart of hearts I honestly think I have. I haven't fawned over him. I acknowledge his many apparent faults and issues, I've acknowledged that he may well not be a particularly nice person. But this hasn't been about whether or not JD is or isn't a sweetie pie, in public or in private. It's been about whether or not a man did the utterly horrific things that he has been accused of, that have resulted in him being shunned and viewed as violent, raping scum by many.

I've concluded that simply is not true. I've said more than once that I feel pity for AH as I genuinely believe that she has real issues, and that I hope she gets the help she needs. Meanwhile, no matter what the jury's verdict on Tuesday, I believe JD and will readily and happily continue to enjoy his work. I do hope to God that they find in his favour as if they do not, I truly fear for the mental health of a man who behind the HW front has clearly been deeply troubled since childhood. I mean, goodness knows how anybody could find such a fucked up specimen even fanciable, as evinced up thread.

And as aside, that's just it - I don't, and never have, fancied JD. Despite thinking him very handsome at his peak and obviously extremely watchable, he does nothing for me in that respect. Show me a picture of a young Joaquin Phoenix, and my ovaries might briefly wake up(!) But JD, nah.

But I digress; this isn't about how fanciable or not fanciable JD or JP or whoever is or isn't. It's about whether or not JD has been falsely accused of the most terrible crimes. On!y he hasn't, not in a criminal court, probably because it would be unlikely to even get to prosecution. But AH has never even attempted to get her battering, raping ex husband banged up for the lengthy prison sentence that he clearly deserves if he's found guilty of these awful crimes. No, she's just sold photos and videos and other "exposees" to publications and websites then "pledged" the fees to charity, no doubt . I'm not buying it.

But hey, if it makes some here feel better to carry on with their condescending, intelligence insulting narrative that I and other believers of JD are simply a bunch of dim, knicker wetting JD fans who would side with him no matter how damning the evidence presented against him, then go ahead. It strikes me that for some, feminism consists of some women telling other women what they should or shouldn't be thinking. Well, fuck that.

Over and out here.

StormzyinaTCup · 29/05/2022 10:26

I hope to god you aren't raising boy's. I can't believe such deluded sexism on a women's support group

No idea if that's aimed at me but I'll answer on this point , yes I am and I'm raising him to not be afraid to speak out and his right to be heard if ever finds himself in an abusive relationship. Exactly the same advice as I give to my daughter. I expect both my children to be able to access any help they would need and for that access to not be denied by dint of gender. Abuse is not about gender and my posts are not about sexism or 'misogyny' which seems to be the discussion shutdown word at the moment.

The issue for discussion is bigger than just these two.

Greyhop · 29/05/2022 10:59

I think the most telling thing is that:

Our decent UK press are not siding with JD.

The JD supporters in the thread are regurgitating tik tok, youtube, Twitter and gutter press fodder.

The decent UK papers contain many, many opinion pieces on how shocking this trial is - the blatant misogyny, the sickening memes etc on social media.

Because our decent UK newspaper are not in support of JD, I’m sure he will lose.

When he does lose, my goodness - there are some posters here who need to really question their morals and values.

unctuousunicorns1 · 29/05/2022 11:12

"there are some posters here who need to really question their morals and values."

Oh well, it's just as well that I'll have plenty of JD films to watch while I'm burning in hell for all eternity, then. <settles back in seat> 🍿✂️👋✂️👋☠️🎩

NohoHank · 29/05/2022 11:13

Decent UK press 😂

unctuousunicorns1 · 29/05/2022 11:15

"Decent UK press 😂"

Objection! Hearsay! 😅

Greyhop · 29/05/2022 11:25

or just back to a good old bit of Meghan bashing….

TiddyTidTwo · 29/05/2022 11:27

Grey

You lost me at decent UK press

I haven't read any major press outlets or watched news channels about this.

I have watched the trial, every minute. Watched behavioural expert views, read pro Amber articles, listened carefully to all voice recordings where possible. I scroll past anything with "i stepped on a bee" (anything like that drives me nuts and involves no critical analysis)

JD and AH are far from perfect. Toxic relationship and it's not about defamation, it's about telling his side. After AH controlling the narrative for 6 years and not being truthful, sailing high as an ambassador of DV victims, now the evidence (or lack of imo) can be viewed and analysed, she's pissed a lot of people off.

She needs mental health intervention for the sake of her child who is the most important in this, as are his children.

On Twitter there are many women attacking other survivors who don't not believe AH. They absolutely won't concede on anything as they will not believe men can be victims too. They abuse women survivors claiming they are gaslighting them and are liars. That's not MeToo nor feminism. I then see men come on and stand up for these survivors so I believe AH has pushed the MeToo movement into now looking like a toxic cult where simple common sense and an ability to see both sides has been lost.

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