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Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 21:48

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

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ENoeuf · 25/05/2022 22:13

Yes finished for now.

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TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 22:13

On the last thread I posted. My abuser made me crazy. I threw lamp at him after 8 years of himmaking me believe I was nuts as soon as I did that I was the crazy one. I absolutely am onJD side as previous To my awful behaviour all my exes would say, that's not her? I know how these arseholes work

Midlifemusings · 25/05/2022 22:14

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Legrandsophie · 25/05/2022 22:15

She doesn’t get rebuttal. Drop only gets a rebuttal because he is the plaintiff. She that hour and thirty is all they have to cross any rebuttal witnesses that appear tomorrow. It is going to be tight for AH’s team.

I knew the rebuttal was going to be vital. I think JD’s team have cleverly destroyed the key aspects of her case- Whitney, PTSD, Hicksville, Kate Moss incident, photos and double down on the charity donation lies.

All she has left is hearsay- her word vs. dozens of people, including former members of her own staff and strangers without allegiance. She’s fucked.

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 22:16

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Midlifemusings · 25/05/2022 22:16

Legrandsophie · 25/05/2022 22:15

She doesn’t get rebuttal. Drop only gets a rebuttal because he is the plaintiff. She that hour and thirty is all they have to cross any rebuttal witnesses that appear tomorrow. It is going to be tight for AH’s team.

I knew the rebuttal was going to be vital. I think JD’s team have cleverly destroyed the key aspects of her case- Whitney, PTSD, Hicksville, Kate Moss incident, photos and double down on the charity donation lies.

All she has left is hearsay- her word vs. dozens of people, including former members of her own staff and strangers without allegiance. She’s fucked.

She is the plaintiff in her countersuit that is being heard at the same time so she gets rebuttal specific to her counterclaim.

Boulshired · 25/05/2022 22:16

Legrandsophie · 25/05/2022 22:11

I did not know that! Any speculation on what it is?

There is one rumour that it is driving whilst suspended, there is more to the rumour that isn’t good.

Miscfeminista · 25/05/2022 22:17

I don’t know what you all been writing to your abusers, I wrote all kind of stuff that I’m not proud of-from wanting to kill myself to telling him I don’t give f if he wants to kill himself and other things(and my life too actually got in danger unfortunately along with similar to what you describe Objection), but I don’t remember writing”he is begging for humiliation, that floppy used up cum bucket, I found myself a Russian stud and don’t know why I wasted time on this cheap dick”. Like I can’t even make an equivalent message because that is not how women talk. The humiliation and degradation thing is such a stereotypical male domination thing, you have to be 0 culturally aware to deny this. Women justifying this”as he was just angry”literally saying that degradation of all women is fine when men are angry. He is humiliating all women in those texts, not just AH. I did not humiliate all men when I hated my abuser and insulted him for humiliating me and other women.

foxlover47 · 25/05/2022 22:18

@ENoeuf thank you , I prob missed bits earlier so rewatching anyway now

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 22:19

Bouls

We can all be the what if and try to be fair. But AH is a liar.that has been proven.

She's taken down one of the best, most proven actors in Hollywood.

Look at what Kevin Costner said about her

StormzyinaTCup · 25/05/2022 22:20

Thanks for the new thread @ENoeuf.

I think TMZ was more damaging and it also ties up with AH TMZ slip up in her 2016 testimony, gives more weight to Waldman's claim. The Hicksville guy was good though.

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 22:22

No is isn't misc

I'd quote happily slit the throat of my abuser. Arsehole.

There I've said if. Am I bad?

Midlifemusings · 25/05/2022 22:23

StormzyinaTCup · 25/05/2022 22:20

Thanks for the new thread @ENoeuf.

I think TMZ was more damaging and it also ties up with AH TMZ slip up in her 2016 testimony, gives more weight to Waldman's claim. The Hicksville guy was good though.

I think they both just really chip away at her credibility. Not only that she will lie on the stand (didn't give info to tmz, doesn't know how to use photo shop) but that she exaggerates things (damage in the trailer)

Some of the cross was really weak - if you don't have a solid question to ask, don't ask a dumb one. If I was a juror, it seems insulting.

BornBlonde · 25/05/2022 22:24

Checking in though I'm really behind on today! Still on Depp from earlier

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 22:25

Of course I wouldn't slit his throat. It's text talk when you're angry.

minou123 · 25/05/2022 22:27

adriftabroad · 25/05/2022 22:06

I feel AHs team are getting really agressive.
One hour left, those that know hearsay/legrande/minou/midlife etc... is that enough time IYO?

It is hard to say.
We don't know who the rebuttal witnesses are.

JD team have 1 witness left. We don't know who it is. Based on yesterday/today, AH are not good at cross examining and keeping it to the point They seem to get flustered and don't have thier evidence prepared properly, which wastes thier time.

AH team have rebuttal witnesses for their counterclaim.
We don't know how many they have or who it is.
Again, based on previous AH witnesses, they tend to waffle on. I am presuming AH team will prep thier witnesses and tell them to keep thier answers short and sweet.
The problem for AH is, JD has 7 hours to cross examine thier witnesses.
I'm my opinion, and this very much my opinion, JD team are very good. They will be thinking about every possible witness AH could call and be prepping every possible cross exam they could do. This is a lot of work, but would pay off.
I'd be very surprised if JD team resort to "are you here for 15mins of fame?"

Sorry long answer. But in short, only having 1 hour 15 mins left, in my opinion, is bad time management.

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 22:27

I think what I'm saying is don't ever, EVER give a narcissist an inch.

Midlifemusings · 25/05/2022 22:27

These are Amber's words to Johnny's face. I am pretty sure she sent nasty private texts too....

“you fcking coward, ball-less piece of sht, you think i want that fcking old ass fcking piece of sht? fck you, you’re a f*cking joke man.”

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 22:29

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Midlifemusings · 25/05/2022 22:29

I forget that stars change to bold! I copied that quote and it was full of stars for the missing letters!

WiddlinDiddlin · 25/05/2022 22:29

Going back to someone saying they can't believe someone could lie to the extent AH may be lying to..

If she believes her own lies, and some people really do, then yes, this level and frankly, much much worse, is entirely possible.

There are people who can do this, I have met some of them and my mother was absolutely one.

My mother claimed for years that when I was 9 my father tore off her clothes and THREW her down the stairs and also that on another occasion, he attacked her with a knife.

She forgot very quickly that I was witness to both these incidents - the 'stairs' incident she slipped and fell, he tried to grab her and caught her shirt front which ripped, but at the point at which she actually slipped and teetered, he was FACING ME.. not her! He could NOT have pushed her or thrown her.

In the knife incident, again she forgets crucial details - the knife was a butter knife, it was a fight SHE started over something absolutely trivial and he picked up the butter knife to get it out of her way as she was reaching for anything she could throw at him (he threw it away behind him!)

But over the years and forgetting or discounting a witness who was a child, those stories morphed and I do think she FULLY believed her version of events.

I have said for ages that I can see the tiniest grain of truth in many of AH's stories.

A filthy and mucky comment during sex about cavity searches turns into 'he performed a cavity search on me' - a dirty idea of sex play with a bottle turns into 'he raped me with a bottle'..

Someone ELSES account of a rape becomes her own story.

As for nasty comments in texts about a person - I think many of us would be squirming if our private texts and DM's were read out in public out of context.

To date I have absolutely written that I want someone to burst into flames, fall off a cliff, that I feel particularly 'stabby', that I'd happily run someone over (I can't even drive)...

...and have gone down the road of ludicrous hyperbole...

'I want to stab him and throw him out of a plane.. nono, lets blow him up then stab him then throw him out of a plane... no wait lets drop him off the moon then blow him up then stab him then throw him out of a plane...'

None of these mean I am an abusive person nor do they indicate I have ever blown someone up, dropped them out of a plane, stabbed them etc etc.. nor will I.

Today again demonstrated that Depps expert witnesses and other witnesses are credible and solid.

And Heards are a looooooong way off being either. Their evidence simply does not stand up and her legal team are laughable.

Miscfeminista · 25/05/2022 22:30

Yeah that is literally not applicable only to men the way what JD was writing was. It is absolutely not comparable to JDs misogyny throughout his texts

TiddyTidTwo · 25/05/2022 22:33

Of course mid we all do it.

Ah is a narc and a liar. However I'm worried about her child so refrain.

JD doesn't deny a thing. He's open. He's trying to protect her sister because he knows.

I can see it a mile off

adriftabroad · 25/05/2022 22:33

Thanks everyone for your opinions.

I loved Hicksville guy.
TMZ was possibly more relevant
Kate Moss was factual and great
I like the lady pycholgist, Dr Curry?
Airport lady was nice, factual

I thought JD sort of let himself down slightly today, mind you, I would be on edge.

I am 4 now to JD, just.
I dislike AH more than ever, she makes my skin crawl.

Miscfeminista · 25/05/2022 22:33

*the way that JD was writing was only applicable to women, a general insult to women I mean. Being angry at someone harming you and wishing them imaginary harm is almost universal, wanting to sexually humiliate someone is not universal

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