Part 5 AIBU to want 15 minutes fame? (depp v heard)

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4554620-part-4-aibu-to-keep-this-discussion-on-amber-and-jonny-going

continuing our unhealthy obsession 😂

I think his being dropped because of this isn't entirely accurate . There was already a growing awareness of his lateness and issues on set. Holding sets up for hours etc. I don't believe it's as clear cut as possibly he wants to believe although of course it's a more palatable narrative for him and fans.

I think his substance misuse and lateness has been a issue for decades though, and like they said "when you book JD, you know what you are getting".

But I don't disagree with you, maybe his lateness has got worse and his inability to function on substances also increased.

Who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

I agree with this.

Except that it has become clear along the way that Depp’s finances were in a poor state. His financial advisor told him so when he was still with Heard. I found the info on his spending mind boggling - it’s clear that he is out of control on every level. I think money is one of the motivations for this law suit.

I don’t really know why he’s feted as such a great actor - he creates caricatures for fantasy children’s films.

"There was already a growing awareness of his lateness and issues on set. Holding sets up for hours etc"

Yes, I wonder about substance and/or misuse around this time. If he wins the case and is currently sober and clean, I think he'll have to work all out to prove his reliability and professionalism to the industry. His current film is available free to watch with ads, which makes me wonder just how marketable he is just now. Regardless of how big a star he's been over the decades, I don't think that anybody is bigger than the industry, so if JD were to continue to be unreliable as previously reported, the phone calls and emails etc. may taper off even more.

"Apart from the studios which have kept a distance, are there any prominent Hollywood actors etc who have come out against JD? I've seen plenty of support from actors he's worked with and is friends with."

None that I've seen. It's all been very consistent positive stuff for decades.

AH, definitely not! I posted on the last thread a video of an ex colleague witnessing trashed rooms and drug taking way before JD and others in support. Kevin Costner and his trailer incident with her. He weren't having her bullshit that's for sure! One established English actor on POTC saying she is detested in the industry, WB admitting she has no chemistry with JM, etc etc but of course, they are all liars!

I did a google to see if I was wrong - looks like things were worsening even before A but I agree that generally there was a knowing what you get vibe.

amp.theguardian.com/film/2018/may/04/johnny-depp-hollywood-star-actor-fall

I think I may have worked out one of the things which bothered me about Heard's evidence. She kept using phrases that I recognised as part of a "playbook": "I was in fear for/of my life", for instance, is something people get told to say if they have done someone else serious damage and want to try to avoid a GBH charge. (I know this because a policeman friend told it to me as the thing I must say if I smashed a burglar on the head with a cast-iron Le Creuset frying pan and accidentally broke him.) It also almost sounded at times as if she had taken incidents from #MeToo and was fitting them into her own story, when in fact they had come from someone else's.

And as Boulshired said on P36, if she was in fear for her life why on earth did she stay there recording him, which would surely exasperate him further? Except that it doesn't seem to have done, which to me makes it seem as if her fear was either ill-founded or not all that great.

Did he maintain it? Or did she simply ignore and put up with major substance abuse and smash ups and let him behave how he liked?

Why should women have to talk men down from addictions and antisocial behaviour?

Like Brad Pitt Depp dumped his wife for a sexier model who was wilder but also
crazier.

Fucked up self destructive people get themselves into fucked up self destructive relationships. And unless addictions are kicked they escalate and spiral out of control. I just see this relationship as part of his addictive toxic self destructive spiral. As well as the choices he’s made about law suits.

I have Borderline Personality Disorder, anxiety and manic depression (that was my diagnosis at 17 years old, I'm now 36).
This was a result of being a victim of 3 years of child abuse and sexual assault. 2 separate violations by 2 different men. One as a child, one as an adult.
I also grew up in an alcoholic dependant environment.
When I was a child, CPS dropped charges because they wouldn't use my brother as a witness due to his learning disabilities (autism) even though he could perfectly describe what he saw. Another victim didn't want to go to court, so they said it was literally my word against the perpetrator.
I would have to walk to school and see him on a regular basis because he knew my route and would deliberately be there to intimidate me but police could do nothing.
As an adult, my sexual assault case went to court. Twice. The first time, I was absolutely petrified and I can't tell you what the judge, jury or barristers looked like because I couldn't look at anyone as I was a nervous wreck. The perpetrator in this case was able to sit and listen to everyone's testimony from my side. His barrister then refused to represent him before his testimony because he knew his client had lied based on my testimony. This meant it had to go to court again a year later.
This time, I did mine via video link because I couldn't face a court room again due to being terrified.
I wasn't in court when he testified, but I was told that he lied about everything.
The jury found that they couldn't convict him due to a lack of evidence.
So yeah, twice in my life I have been let down by the people who are supposed to bring me justice so I have no faith in the system whatsoever.
Despite all this and what I have been through, I find I can't believe Amber Heard. People are entitled to their opinion, but her body language, complete personality changes during the trial and the evidence against her leads me to think she isn't being truthful.
I've no doubt it was a toxic relationship, but horrible words do not equate to sexual violence, whereas there is proof that she was violent and calculated towards Johnny Depp.
One thing I will say as a person with Borderline Personality Disorder, I've never been violent towards anyone (I take things out on myself eg: Self harm), but I am guilty of manipulating partners into staying to avoid being or feeling alone. I have threatened to hurt myself to guilt them.
I have heard alot of this behaviour in the audio recordings of Amber. Not the self harm part, but not allowing someone to leave when they clearly need to.
I stay single now. It's easier that way.

I agree. I also struggle to think of any other industry that he could have maintained employment given his lifestyle other than acting. Rock possibly, but if you repeatedly turn up hours late for paying punters, even the biggest stars stop getting booked.

I've been following this case through out I initially felt they were both as bad as each other but completely changed my opnion after hearing and seeing the evidence and testimony,
But just commenting on what u said. Surely if she was telling truth the evidence would show she is and her testimonies would also show and not show she was lying. So I doubt it's because of depp being a powerful person!

I think that was in response to someone saying she should go and live a quiet life out the spotlight if she loses? So slightly out of context.

Just as an aside, if I was on the jury, after I had deliberated and given the verdict and everything was finished, I would want to watch what happened.

Not the bits when I was in the room, but the parts where the jury were sent out of the room. For example TMZ motion, motion to dismiss, etc.

I don't think I'd be able to help myself, I would want to know what was going on when I wasn't there.

Heard also lost everything too when it began to unravel for her. Obviously she was more of a raising star but she's had much worse press than him and SM backlash.

Awww isn’t it amazing that she was able to stop him from beating the shit out of her. What an aspirational marriage. Women of the world-please remember it is your duty to stop men from being violent.

Or she didn't start physical fights with a drunken, volatile drug addict. I just mean she seemed to be able to deal with him better, that doesn't mean he would have beaten her. As the psychologist said Amber was a trigger for him I guess in her reactions. They were toxic together whereas with anyone else it might not have resulted in this or we know it didn't. Nothing to do with her being a women, more to do with their personalities. As his sister said- discussing, consoling, nudging are all taken as criticism.

I mean I disagree that AH was a "rising star". She had bit part roles in things like pineapple express. Her trademark is playing romantic interests. Sidekicks, she has never been placed as a leading female or even a supporting female. Because she's just not a great actress.

She's in her late 30's now so is starting to get a bit old to play the doe eyed love interest, and there are clearly acting issues like failure to cry, lack of chemistry with male leads.

If I had to compare her to another actress in her age bracket I'd say she's more like Shailene Woodley. But Shailene did have the lead role in "The fault in our stars" which was received well by critics.

She's not had a "star is born moment" because well, she simply isn't a star. She's a actress yes, but not an outstanding one by any reach.

She definitely was a rising star before all this kicked off. She was in Magic Mike and Aquaman, this has completely nuked her career. Depp it goes without saying was already an established star.

I think it's probably true that it wasn't acting that got her parts when they were together but being married to him, not unusual in Hollywood

I've not watched magic Mike but she wasn't good in Aquaman

And yes she's getting a bit old to be a rising star

I think her looks is what got her parts. There are plenty of Hollywood actors who aren’t particularly good at acting.

I mean I disagree that AH was a "rising star". She had bit part roles in things like pineapple express. Her trademark is playing romantic interests. Sidekicks, she has never been placed as a leading female or even a supporting female. Because she's just not a great actress.

She says herself as does her agent that this is the case until she got Aquaman. It was her breakthrough role. She was the lead female role.

Or that's what she's arguing, it should have been her breakthrough role. It would normally lead to further big parts on the same scale but for her if didn't. She is arguing this is because of JD. There is an endless saying he wants her sacked from her WB film. I wonder how much scope he had to do this.

Well, at least I had heard of him, even if I still have no idea what he has done. Her, I'd heard of only in relation to him, not as an actress of any sort.

It is possible, I think, to get a divorce from a film actor without torpedoing your own career; I'm sure people have managed it before now. It probably depends how much of his money you want to take him for, if you don't have a child or children by him in need of maintenance.

My personal opinion is that there is no proof. IMO slamming the cabinets the day your find out your accountant has fleeced you, whilst being taunted beyond belief, is not abuse.

I honestly think if he has been abusive she, who has goaded him whilst filming numerous times, would have some actual video evidence.

Also, if she is so confident in her convictions why did she not go to the police?!... Because there is no evidence and she knows it!

IMO slamming the cabinets the day your find out your accountant has fleeced you.

I can’t find information about when the video of JD slamming kitchen cabinet doors was taken. I can find no info saying it was taken when he started to find out he had lost huge amounts of money. Depp’s comment on the video of him slamming the kitchen doors during his testimony was he didn’t know when it was taken exactly but he was clearly having a bad time. During his testimony he says he learnt about the dire consequences of his finances around Amber’s 30th birthday in April, 2016 and on Amber’s birthday he had a “bad meeting” with his new business manager (who testified) concerning his former business manager, who he told the court had “stolen my money.”

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might be the last thread?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4558312-part-6-keeping-it-civil-the-depp-heard-jury-is-out

'Heard, seen holding a coffee in the video, testified that she shot it in the morning, sometime around her 30th birthday.'

www.thewrap.com/johnny-depp-smashing-glass-amber-heard-video-trial/amp/