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Have I/we been ‘acquaintance zoned’

223 replies

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 13:33

Bit of b’ground, and apologies if it’s long.

Family moved to a different area of the country at the end of summer. DC started school for first time and We and DC quickly became friendly with another couple and their DC.

They were also new to village but not wider area itms? We’ll call them Pam and Tom.

Since Sept there’s been lots of playdates and coffees between Pam and I and kids, with lots instigated by P&T including; hosting us for Sun lunch, dinner at a restaurant near where they used to live which they thought we would enjoy and a spa morning for Pam and I. All successful and clear we all had a hoot.

Lots in common with regular just nice long chit chatty messages back and forth between us throughout the wks. Was happy we’d found potential ‘friend friends’ and not just a ‘Mum friend’.

We’ve been having work done and finally repaid and hosted twixtmas drinks/nibbles. Mistake, we were all tired/bloated from Xmas. Also DH clearly forgotten how to host, spiling drinks, not topping up drinks, even tho he said he would take charge of that, got drunk, kept switching off my Spotify and putting his random play lists on and making us all listen, making random cocktails, atmosphere flat, clear P&T were not impressed. They were also a bit snooty about a few things which was a little red flag. Despite slow refills Pam got V drunk and took over convo, I felt like I was really boring but couldn’t get a word in edge ways! For two weeks they just kept moaning about how hungover they were in the following days.

Since then dynamic has changed.

They were desps for us to meet another couple they were friends with and organised for NY day lucnh, Pam cancelled this at last minute – understandable, said would rearrange asap, for us all to meet. This hasn’t happened and she dropped into a convo they’d been for lunch with other couple and then clearly remembered she possibly hadn’t meant to tell me and went v red/sheepish.

Messages have slowly dried to short/cursory and now nothing. Quite a contrast.

We’ve 4/5 playdates since Xmas (equally arranged/initiated by Pama and I tbf) but they have been a tad strained, probs not helped by kids being grumpy.

We also had synchronised drop-offs and would often walk with them to school as both on same route, since the start of term they are going much earlier so not seeing them then.

Thought a coffee sans kids would be good, Pam didn’t seem too keen and cancelled at last min; telling me how busy they are with work; they have their own bus and a big project on so totally understandable.

Last wk we had something planned in just Pam and I which had been in diary ages,I txt over wknd to conf, Pam said she’d let me know, did a few days later but was so negative, ‘will we have time, feeling pressured with the project, weather doesn’t look great, not covid but I’m coming down with a cold just to warn you….but still up for doing it’. Really?!? Felt I had no choice but to put her out of her misery and suggest rearranging, she obvs said yes and ‘I’ll be in touch’. She hasn’t been.

Told myself well they are so busy. Saw her today fine but breezy, I remarked they must be flat out and Tom said actually not bad, not much we can do at mo. Told Pam she looked great (she did) and she v sheepishly said well we’re meeting friends for brunch. Obviously, she can meet who she wants, clearly, and has other friends locally before anyone starts. But plainly they are not that busy are they. She finished up with lots of slightly embarrassed we must get something in, we’ll do something asap, but it felt awkward and no mention of the thing we’d canceled
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Am I reading too into this, I’ve lost a lot of confidence since lockdown and giving up work after having DC so worried my perspective might not be great?

Do I instigate a coffee/lunch or should I just take the hint and delete the convo/number to save any embarrassment, and keep it ‘ friendly breezy’ if I see them?

OP posts:
JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 13:35

BTW nothing gone on between kids, C minder does a pick up but according to her they're still thick as thieves/happy and chatty with each other.

OP posts:
thesunwillout · 01/02/2022 13:37

Take the hint and don't make yourself fret anymore.

SeasonFinale · 01/02/2022 13:37

It sounds like the initial honeymoon is over but there have still been 4/5 play dates since Christmas which is a lot!

Jumpingintomenopause · 01/02/2022 13:39

I would distance myself now, the friendship clearly isn’t what you thought it was.

Lipstickandlashes · 01/02/2022 13:39

No need to delete their number, but disengage and keep it friendly/breezy if you see them. There’ll be other friends. Keep your dignity.

Hankunamatata · 01/02/2022 13:40

Just stick to playdates and pull back on everything else.

Spotsandstars · 01/02/2022 13:41

I would back off. She has already and I think maybe the initial friendship was just too much too soon.
It’s not your problem, so many people are like this, it drives me nuts! I’m often the organiser, the inviter and I never let people down ever. But when someone behaves like this they are sending a clear message.

Lanique · 01/02/2022 13:45

Gawd, I always see big intense new friendships as being such a pressure. I find that anyone who approaches me and tries to be besties straight away as a big red flag. These people are often quite superficial and narcissistic (sorry I know this word gets bandied about on here but I can categorically say that the only people I've had this experience with have turned out to be total narcs). I'm all for putting the breaks on and going slow with any new friendship, if I were you I'd back away op. It sounds as if she might have done you a favour tbh.

Lanique · 01/02/2022 13:45

Sorry BRAKES not breaks!

BatshitBanshee · 01/02/2022 13:46

She's pulling back. Just do the playdates and keep it light and keep it moving.

Ginger1982 · 01/02/2022 13:50

Yeah, I would agree to pull back. It can be exciting when you think you've made new buddies, especially for your kids, but it's clear that something has changed for them. Maybe it was the Xmas nibbles, maybe not, but I would just pull back, be bright and breezy when you see them and look for other friends. Your kids can be good friends even if you're more like acquaintances.

Whatsonmymindgrapes · 01/02/2022 13:52

They don’t want an intense friendship. Just back off

grapewine · 01/02/2022 13:56

The dinner sounds like a bit of a disaster. Your husband got drunk?

They've pulled back. I would have done the same, to be honest.

Yebbie · 01/02/2022 13:58

Real friendships aren't this hard work - unfortunately it isn't the relationship you hoped for, save yourself all of the agonising over small details and just accept it for what it is

Gonnagetgoing · 01/02/2022 13:59

They're not that into you!

I think it hasn't helped with when you hosted but if they were really nice they'd have overlooked that.

Back off and keep to playdates with kids.

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 13:59

Thank you all so far.

Interesting perspective @Lanique and you're possibly completely correct in your analysis, there have been lots of small things that point to that which I may have potentially chosen to ignore/gloss over until now, as I wanted a pal and some socialising. Mmmm.

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Gonnagetgoing · 01/02/2022 14:01

@grapewine

The dinner sounds like a bit of a disaster. Your husband got drunk?

They've pulled back. I would have done the same, to be honest.

@grapewine - but so did 'Pam'?!

My DB has got drunk a few times at various friends coming over, his DW just laughs it off, says he's been an idiot sometimes and that's that. and their friends when they've been over have been fine.

They did have a friend who at a dinner party broke something belonging to their SIL and he was a bit of an arse, mental health issues culminating in excessive drinking but that was him, not DB and he's since moved away luckily.

Kbyodjs · 01/02/2022 14:01

I would pull back; either they are the type to be very intense for a while then move on to someone else to very intense with or the evening they came over changed things. If it’s because of that night then I would gently suggest the friendship wasn’t that strong if one bad night can make them step back

Branleuse · 01/02/2022 14:01

Adult friendships are like this though a bit. They run hot and cold. Pretty much all my friends i have phases of seeing loads and then phases where we hardly see each other. It doesnt mean anything and doesnt mean they cant go out with other friends.
I think youre reading too much into it and it sounds all a bit intense

Gonnagetgoing · 01/02/2022 14:02

@JanuaryJones22

Thank you all so far.

Interesting perspective @Lanique and you're possibly completely correct in your analysis, there have been lots of small things that point to that which I may have potentially chosen to ignore/gloss over until now, as I wanted a pal and some socialising. Mmmm.

@JanuaryJones22 - if you want a pal and some socialising I'd go for someone you have something in common with.

So try e.g. yoga, or community choir, whatever rocks your boat - and then reach out from there.

I find that friendships just based on e.g. kids, with no common interest can die a death unless you get on really well, have a lot in common.

Gonnagetgoing · 01/02/2022 14:06

@Branleuse

Adult friendships are like this though a bit. They run hot and cold. Pretty much all my friends i have phases of seeing loads and then phases where we hardly see each other. It doesnt mean anything and doesnt mean they cant go out with other friends. I think youre reading too much into it and it sounds all a bit intense
@Branleuse - you're so right re hot and cold.

I feel a bit bad now as a friend from school who I reconnected with, she feel in love and sort of ditched me (she was a bit new age hippy into 'lurve' etc) when she got a new man. I could've waited for her to have returned to our friendship when she was over the 'lurve' lust stage of her new relationship as she advised, but I was so hurt as we'd been intense best buddies that I told her to F off! I see now that I was too intense and expected too much.

Gonnagetgoing · 01/02/2022 14:09

@Lanique

Gawd, I always see big intense new friendships as being such a pressure. I find that anyone who approaches me and tries to be besties straight away as a big red flag. These people are often quite superficial and narcissistic (sorry I know this word gets bandied about on here but I can categorically say that the only people I've had this experience with have turned out to be total narcs). I'm all for putting the breaks on and going slow with any new friendship, if I were you I'd back away op. It sounds as if she might have done you a favour tbh.
@Lanique - I had this last summer. Someone I'd met once in passing I suddenly saw a few times around and about.

Next thing she'd invited me for coffee, drinks and out shopping and was very very interested in me, my life, wanted me to be interested in her life and I suddenly thought whoah and put the brakes on and backed off. Seemingly NT too. I've seen her around since and she now distinctly turns her back on me or looks the other way.

waterrat · 01/02/2022 14:13

Op you seem a bit intense. You are massively analysing your interactions ...but friendships can grow slowly and if they are to last a lifetime then obviously they will have ups and downs. Especially when kids involved as they can fall out have bad days etc

I think you are expecting too much from people you are still getting to know..why don't you chill out a bit and if the friendship has any depth to it it will recover.

Ricksteinsfishwife · 01/02/2022 14:15

Op can I ask when you say you eventually returned their hospitality due to work, had you only been to their house once for Sunday lunch or more than that ?

It does seem you were all having a “hoot” together but when it came to your hosting it was a really poor evening, if you knew your husband wasn’t replenishing drinks and was drunk , why didn’t you step up, you were both hosts? Why didn’t you take control of the music if he was drunk and said something like let’s take turns in queuing our next song? His occasional songs would have been fine then,Making cocktails is also fine, if you then also make sure they have other drinks,

It does sound like a bad evening that’s made them rethink the friendship, what things were they “snooty” about, and you say you felt she was drunk and talked too much, which indicated rhe conversation wasn’t smooth, and one of them may have seen your disdain to her.

But for us, if one of us is a bit drunk and not capable, we don’t just let our guests sit there with empty glasses, thinking well it was their job, we step up. You can take rhe convo the next day,

It does sound like that evening killed it, I’m sorry.

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Thievesoil · 01/02/2022 14:16

They sound hard work. They judge you for the Xmas nibbles thing?!

I’m always a bit worried at intense new friendships. Some people are too intense

Sadly I would take the hint and move on!