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Have I/we been ‘acquaintance zoned’

223 replies

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 13:33

Bit of b’ground, and apologies if it’s long.

Family moved to a different area of the country at the end of summer. DC started school for first time and We and DC quickly became friendly with another couple and their DC.

They were also new to village but not wider area itms? We’ll call them Pam and Tom.

Since Sept there’s been lots of playdates and coffees between Pam and I and kids, with lots instigated by P&T including; hosting us for Sun lunch, dinner at a restaurant near where they used to live which they thought we would enjoy and a spa morning for Pam and I. All successful and clear we all had a hoot.

Lots in common with regular just nice long chit chatty messages back and forth between us throughout the wks. Was happy we’d found potential ‘friend friends’ and not just a ‘Mum friend’.

We’ve been having work done and finally repaid and hosted twixtmas drinks/nibbles. Mistake, we were all tired/bloated from Xmas. Also DH clearly forgotten how to host, spiling drinks, not topping up drinks, even tho he said he would take charge of that, got drunk, kept switching off my Spotify and putting his random play lists on and making us all listen, making random cocktails, atmosphere flat, clear P&T were not impressed. They were also a bit snooty about a few things which was a little red flag. Despite slow refills Pam got V drunk and took over convo, I felt like I was really boring but couldn’t get a word in edge ways! For two weeks they just kept moaning about how hungover they were in the following days.

Since then dynamic has changed.

They were desps for us to meet another couple they were friends with and organised for NY day lucnh, Pam cancelled this at last minute – understandable, said would rearrange asap, for us all to meet. This hasn’t happened and she dropped into a convo they’d been for lunch with other couple and then clearly remembered she possibly hadn’t meant to tell me and went v red/sheepish.

Messages have slowly dried to short/cursory and now nothing. Quite a contrast.

We’ve 4/5 playdates since Xmas (equally arranged/initiated by Pama and I tbf) but they have been a tad strained, probs not helped by kids being grumpy.

We also had synchronised drop-offs and would often walk with them to school as both on same route, since the start of term they are going much earlier so not seeing them then.

Thought a coffee sans kids would be good, Pam didn’t seem too keen and cancelled at last min; telling me how busy they are with work; they have their own bus and a big project on so totally understandable.

Last wk we had something planned in just Pam and I which had been in diary ages,I txt over wknd to conf, Pam said she’d let me know, did a few days later but was so negative, ‘will we have time, feeling pressured with the project, weather doesn’t look great, not covid but I’m coming down with a cold just to warn you….but still up for doing it’. Really?!? Felt I had no choice but to put her out of her misery and suggest rearranging, she obvs said yes and ‘I’ll be in touch’. She hasn’t been.

Told myself well they are so busy. Saw her today fine but breezy, I remarked they must be flat out and Tom said actually not bad, not much we can do at mo. Told Pam she looked great (she did) and she v sheepishly said well we’re meeting friends for brunch. Obviously, she can meet who she wants, clearly, and has other friends locally before anyone starts. But plainly they are not that busy are they. She finished up with lots of slightly embarrassed we must get something in, we’ll do something asap, but it felt awkward and no mention of the thing we’d canceled
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Am I reading too into this, I’ve lost a lot of confidence since lockdown and giving up work after having DC so worried my perspective might not be great?

Do I instigate a coffee/lunch or should I just take the hint and delete the convo/number to save any embarrassment, and keep it ‘ friendly breezy’ if I see them?

OP posts:
HauntedPencil · 01/02/2022 15:14

What are we talking here .. S Club 7 or what?

HauntedPencil · 01/02/2022 15:15

I don't think you've come over as Desp! That's a bit mean to say that.. These arrangements were reciprocal

T00Ts · 01/02/2022 15:18

@seekinglondonlife

I'm desps to know what twixtmas is?
I think it’s the bit between Christmas and New Year. I learnt a much better name for it this year, which is the Merryneum.
Bananarama21 · 01/02/2022 15:18

Tbh its all OTT and I would find it suffocating.

icelollycraving · 01/02/2022 15:19

It sounds like quite full on. They’ve found their next besties.
The night at yours sounds like Abigail’s Party.

phishy · 01/02/2022 15:19

Do I instigate a coffee/lunch

For the love of God, no., take the hint. They sound awful anyway.

Don't do them childcare favours.

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 15:23

How so @SwishSwishBisch most of the bigger things up until Christmas have been instigated/arranged by Pam, initial frie David instigated by Pam. She found me on the yr group what'sapp and messaged me directly! And anything I've arranged, up until the last few weeks has been greeted with enthusiasm. So not quite sure how we're being intense/desperate. DH is actually pretty shy.

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SueSaid · 01/02/2022 15:23

'They sound like they are the type of people to have a flavour of the month approach to friendship. Don't take it personally and don't waste any head space worrying about whether or not its something you've done wrong.'

This.

Aw op just back off with your dignity intact. She's clearly the sort to have intense friendships, then gets bored and moves on.

Just be the one to say 'oh sorry we have plans' and see other friends. Pam and Tom sound like wankers tbh.

Pinkdelight3 · 01/02/2022 15:24

Surely adults don't not want to be friends with people that play crap music.. wouldn't you laugh about it and ask them to change it over

OP has said she was having to hold back from telling her DH not to be a twat, so it's not a matter of the music. It's a character thing. I have a friend whose husband is too much in such situations and we've pulled back from doing things as couples. We've been friends much longer so I still see her, but if it was early days, we might not have lasted either.

Plus as a PP mentioned, Pam was drunk too and had a heap of beer fear for days after. She mightn't like who she was that night either and want (wisely) to be in situations that don't go that way.

VintageCraftandUpcycler · 01/02/2022 15:27

School Gates are pretentious places. She's probably looking at onward and upward and found a new friend or group she wants to be associated with. Look for a genuine friend who isn't judgemental or pretentious as this one sounds.

dreamingbohemian · 01/02/2022 15:31

So it sounds like the friendship was going well as it was mainly between you and her, and your DH is normally shy, and you were doing things at their house or out at other places.

Then you invite them over and your DH is a drunken boor, they see another side to it all, and decide to pull back. Or maybe it was just Tom who decided to shut things down and Pam has to go along with it.

You say you yourself wanted to tell him he was being a drunken twat so it must have seemed 100 times worse to them! You can't really blame them.

Be happy that your kids are still friends and you can all be civil with each other.

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 15:32

Oh God @Pinkdelight3 he wasn't generally being a twat, i've made him sound terrible, he is a lovely sophisticated man - normally!! He was being a silly twat over the music, nothing else! But it was clearly because he was a bit drunk and it was getting a bit dulling, which of course I privately wanted to tell him to stop being a silly twat over, it was annoying me too!!

@HauntedPencil ha no, just old rock/indie stuff which was a bit self-indulgent to him and didn't fit with nice happy drinks!

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JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 15:34

@Gonnagetgoing thing is we do, if she's been telling the truth, and have no reason to think she wasn't. I was happy to have met someone who I could chat about things over and above the kids/school.

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JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 15:36

No @dreamingbohemian I wanted to tell him to stop being a silly twat over the music, which he was clear he wasn't getting the message on as he was a bit drunk, like I said he wasn't falling down or being inappropriate, just not being a bit slackened!

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BobBobbity · 01/02/2022 15:38

From previous meet ups before the twixtmas debacle, had you got the impression they were big drinkers? Were the lunches boozy?

With them going on about how hungover they were I just wonder if getting drunk isn’t really their scene?

diddl · 01/02/2022 15:39

If Pam or Tom weren't impressed with Op's husband's behaviour, that surely doesn't mean that Pam & Op couldn't still be friends?

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 15:39

@dreamingbohemian clearly not known them long, but I would put my house on the fact Pam has never and will never go along with anything Tom has said, haha!

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Gardeningtipsneeded · 01/02/2022 15:40

I think you sound lovely and I’d like to be your friend. So on that basis I wouldn’t worry about it too much (I absolutely hate things like this tho/bad feeling/not knowing where I am so I fully sympathise how hard that can be). Sounds like quite a sociable area generally so perhaps there’s someone else you can make overtures to? Get yourself busy with some other groups/PTA/hobbies etc. It doesn’t sound totally over with Pam, I’m sure she’ll be back at some point even though she’s pulling away now.

BobBobbity · 01/02/2022 15:41

Also what kind of thing were they being snooty about? Was this the first time they’d been to your home at all, or just the first time you had formally ‘hosted’

Miriam101 · 01/02/2022 15:41

OMG 4/5 playdates since the new year? That to me is suffocating; I am friendly and open to meeting new people but if I was seeing someone I had only just met that frequently I think I would definitely need to put some distance between us, and if that's you guys taking it down a notch then it sounds like it was way too intense previously. New friendships are great but I think gently gently does it- that way, if either of you decides you're not quite so keen, it's easy to row back a bit more subtly than this....

billy1966 · 01/02/2022 15:42

@Lipstickandlashes

No need to delete their number, but disengage and keep it friendly/breezy if you see them. There’ll be other friends. Keep your dignity.
This.

Definitely step away.

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 15:42

@BobBobbity yep 2 Sunday lunches boozey....one more than the other, we learnt and took wine to the second one and the dinner was boozy. We all like wine, lots of the chit chatty messages from Pam have her been sending me wines she thinks I would like, drinks offers she's been sent etc.

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Youngstreet · 01/02/2022 15:43

I think your dh forgot the unwritten rule of hosting - you don't get drunk.

dreamingbohemian · 01/02/2022 15:43

But it wasn't just being silly about music, was it?

He was spilling drinks, making random drinks and not hosting well, forcing people to listen to music they don't like.

It doesn't sound like fun at all and they probably think this is the 'real' DH.

HufflepuffPride · 01/02/2022 15:50

I’ve never heard of ‘twixtmas’ either? Is it a typo or an actual thing?