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Have I/we been ‘acquaintance zoned’

223 replies

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 13:33

Bit of b’ground, and apologies if it’s long.

Family moved to a different area of the country at the end of summer. DC started school for first time and We and DC quickly became friendly with another couple and their DC.

They were also new to village but not wider area itms? We’ll call them Pam and Tom.

Since Sept there’s been lots of playdates and coffees between Pam and I and kids, with lots instigated by P&T including; hosting us for Sun lunch, dinner at a restaurant near where they used to live which they thought we would enjoy and a spa morning for Pam and I. All successful and clear we all had a hoot.

Lots in common with regular just nice long chit chatty messages back and forth between us throughout the wks. Was happy we’d found potential ‘friend friends’ and not just a ‘Mum friend’.

We’ve been having work done and finally repaid and hosted twixtmas drinks/nibbles. Mistake, we were all tired/bloated from Xmas. Also DH clearly forgotten how to host, spiling drinks, not topping up drinks, even tho he said he would take charge of that, got drunk, kept switching off my Spotify and putting his random play lists on and making us all listen, making random cocktails, atmosphere flat, clear P&T were not impressed. They were also a bit snooty about a few things which was a little red flag. Despite slow refills Pam got V drunk and took over convo, I felt like I was really boring but couldn’t get a word in edge ways! For two weeks they just kept moaning about how hungover they were in the following days.

Since then dynamic has changed.

They were desps for us to meet another couple they were friends with and organised for NY day lucnh, Pam cancelled this at last minute – understandable, said would rearrange asap, for us all to meet. This hasn’t happened and she dropped into a convo they’d been for lunch with other couple and then clearly remembered she possibly hadn’t meant to tell me and went v red/sheepish.

Messages have slowly dried to short/cursory and now nothing. Quite a contrast.

We’ve 4/5 playdates since Xmas (equally arranged/initiated by Pama and I tbf) but they have been a tad strained, probs not helped by kids being grumpy.

We also had synchronised drop-offs and would often walk with them to school as both on same route, since the start of term they are going much earlier so not seeing them then.

Thought a coffee sans kids would be good, Pam didn’t seem too keen and cancelled at last min; telling me how busy they are with work; they have their own bus and a big project on so totally understandable.

Last wk we had something planned in just Pam and I which had been in diary ages,I txt over wknd to conf, Pam said she’d let me know, did a few days later but was so negative, ‘will we have time, feeling pressured with the project, weather doesn’t look great, not covid but I’m coming down with a cold just to warn you….but still up for doing it’. Really?!? Felt I had no choice but to put her out of her misery and suggest rearranging, she obvs said yes and ‘I’ll be in touch’. She hasn’t been.

Told myself well they are so busy. Saw her today fine but breezy, I remarked they must be flat out and Tom said actually not bad, not much we can do at mo. Told Pam she looked great (she did) and she v sheepishly said well we’re meeting friends for brunch. Obviously, she can meet who she wants, clearly, and has other friends locally before anyone starts. But plainly they are not that busy are they. She finished up with lots of slightly embarrassed we must get something in, we’ll do something asap, but it felt awkward and no mention of the thing we’d canceled
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Am I reading too into this, I’ve lost a lot of confidence since lockdown and giving up work after having DC so worried my perspective might not be great?

Do I instigate a coffee/lunch or should I just take the hint and delete the convo/number to save any embarrassment, and keep it ‘ friendly breezy’ if I see them?

OP posts:
lobsteroll · 01/02/2022 14:20

To be honest if the first time I went to someone's house they got pissed and didn't replenish other peoples drinks I'd probably pull back too. It would be really off putting to me.

I expect that's why they didn't invite you to meet their other friends? Although like you said, Pam got drunk too - what were your thoughts on that? Would that put you off introducing her to other friends in social situations?

If I were you I'd just wait for her to initiate the next meet up (and leave her to confirm it closer to the time too) and if she doesn't it is probably no great loss.

KateTheEighth · 01/02/2022 14:26

Just step away

It's run its course

Don't engage anymore and let it go

Pinkdelight3 · 01/02/2022 14:26

Since then dynamic has changed.

Yep, pretty clear this was the trigger. You had a few months of honeymoon fun Sept-Dec led by them, then this was your time to show them who you were in your own home and it sounds really cringe, sorry. Not just from your (or mostly DH) side, but it also revealed a side to them that you found snooty and so it's not hard for them to come away with the conclusion that it's not a relationship they want to invest in beyond the playdates - and tbf there have been plenty of those so it's not like they're letting it affect the DC friendships. But clearly they don't want to do the couples thing, which is understandable if they didn't like how you DH acted, and who can say how you came across that night either. If you found them snooty, you might have unwittingly let on or it was just in the atmosphere that this combination was no longer a hoot.

Better to know now and put your energies elsewhere. It was early days and probably too intense to sustain anyway. Leave her to it apart from DC activities and don't give it any more thought.

seekinglondonlife · 01/02/2022 14:27

I'm desps to know what twixtmas is?

KateTheEighth · 01/02/2022 14:32

And yes, I would definitely delete the convo

TravellingWanabee · 01/02/2022 14:34

@seekinglondonlife

I'm desps to know what twixtmas is?
I would assume it's that period between Xmas and New Year?
HauntedPencil · 01/02/2022 14:38

All I would do is take a step back and now not go out of my way to issue invites - deleting things and numbers just makes you look a bit bonkers I think.

If she gets in touch see how you feel
Maybe you'll fancy a play date or something low key.. sounds like they are a bit snobby too and so not a good fit for you either

Linguini · 01/02/2022 14:40

So you've been in a new area for less than 6 months and you've had a spa morning, dinner parties and regular playdates with another couple in that short space of time?

Most people first go on spa dates with a friend they've had for years, not weeks.

I think they were very welcome to you and obviously very friendly people. Be grateful, but you need to find other friends now, as well as them. Mix it up a bit.

Gwenhwyfar · 01/02/2022 14:47

You don't stop being friends with someone because they're a bit slow to top up your drink, do you? Surely, you'd just ask when you want more.
Sounds like they used you when they needed you and now they don't.

VapeVamp12 · 01/02/2022 14:50

Sorry, you lost me at desps

RitaFires · 01/02/2022 14:50

I'd back off and concentrate on meeting other people. Clearly something happened when they came over to your house and the underlying relationship wasn't strong enough to overcome it. If you had been friends for longer then it might have been the kind of thing you could laugh off but maybe she feels she embarrassed herself by oversharing or they suddenly realised that you're not that good a match as friends.

Either way I'd consider their loss and try and move onward and upward.

OnwardsAndSideways1 · 01/02/2022 14:52

5 playdates in New Year is just over one a week, that's still quite a lot of contact. I think that's what they are happy with, and I would go with that.

Don't worry too much about it either, they sound a bit off with their hot/cold and possibly snobby ways, just take it that it's nice to be in the same social circle, and meet up as and when.

I wouldn't ask to reorganize your meet-up, if she wanted to, she would. The 'we're busy' cancellation type stuff is telling you something, even if it's just that they really are too busy and want to have other friends to sustain the friendship as it was too intense.

If you have really bonded with Pam on a genuine emotional level, then they will want to be friends, if it's more a convenience thing, then that's probably better to know now.

Make some new friends and tell your husband not to be a twat when you host as that would be offputting to couple friendships in particular (I hardly have any as I prefer to see female friends on their own, bar the odd dinner once or twice a year).

Pinkdelight3 · 01/02/2022 14:54

@Gwenhwyfar - you might when it's only been a 4-month friendship and it was more than being slow with drinks, it was being an annoying prat when pissed and the whole thing not gelling. Plenty of people would pull back after that, especially when it'd gone too far too fast in the first place. I don't see how they've used the OP. They all had a good time up to that point and they're still doing the playdates despite having gone off the parents.

Timescales-wise, it feels a lot like at uni when you pal up intensely in the first term with people who turn out to not be the right fit then in the new year you start to find stronger, longer terms bonds. Hopefully OP will do that.

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 14:54

@lobsteroll @grapewine yes Pam got frankly, pretty wasted!! Absolutely no disdain from me @Ricksteinsfishwife I am not judgey of that at all, always a potential hazard with drinks isn't it 🤣, I felt like I just sat there smiling and nodding as could not get a word in edgeways! And yes absolutely but Pam kept monopolising me almost and by the time I noticedbecause of that it was clear it had become a point/obvious IYKWIM. I desps tried with the music but DH was being tone deaf (pardon the pun). And short of telling him to stop being a silly tw*t (which might have really affected the atmosphere) I did what I could and did wrestle control of the music in the end.

And definitley lobster, like I said it was drinks that can happen! Of course I wouldn't just wrote things off. And other not like DH was falling down drunk or being inappropriate he was just slackened in his duties by drink and being a bit silly!

OP posts:
minipie · 01/02/2022 14:58

I think they have just decided that they want to be friends but not BFFs.

I would regard 4/5 playdates as a lot. I would regard what you describe before Christmas as living in each others’ pockets.

How much would you expect to see them? Maybe time to find some other friends (as well, not instead).

godmum56 · 01/02/2022 14:58

Two things really...the first is that you don't know them that well, or they you, and if I had been to a dinner party with new potential friends and it was embarassing then I'd be backing off a bit too....sorry but i would.
The second thing is a bit of advice I was given by a lovely old lady when we moved into our first house. The estate was around 5 years old and she moved in when it was new.....she said don't be too quick to make friends with your neighbours....she said she had seen it happen over and over again....fast friendships followed by big blow ups and folk ignoring each other....she said be polite to everybody and TAKE YOUR TIME. One of the best bits of advice I have ever had.....and we stayed in contact with her even after we moved away until she died last year.

AlphabetStew · 01/02/2022 14:59

"I desps tried with the music"
What does this mean? Is it a typo? Did you mean "I definitely tried with the music"?

TallulahHula · 01/02/2022 14:59

They sound like they are the type of people to have a flavour of the month approach to friendship. Don't take it personally and don't waste any head space worrying about whether or not its something you've done wrong.

But definitely stop trying to initiate coffees, play dates because she obviously doesn't want to and the constant excuses must be embarrassing for both sides. Be friendly if you see her but don't go out of your way.

ItsSunnyOutside · 01/02/2022 15:00

It does sound as though she is backing off.
I don't think you did anything wrong, yeh, the hosting might have been abit of a disaster but it's not the end of the world.
I don't think I would be so quick to back off from an otherwise good, potential friendship just because of a not so great evening, so maybe it's a good thing. Maybe you have had a lucky escape? Maybe she just wants abit of a breather, as it sounds like the friendship moved quickly, who knows?

Just keep things light when you see her next. Don't try to make anymore plans, there's no reason you can't carry on meeting with DCs and have polite chit chat.

I know you probably feel hurt by it, but don't linger on it too long, you will make other friends. Keep your head high.

CrocodilesCry · 01/02/2022 15:04

@AlphabetStew

"I desps tried with the music" What does this mean? Is it a typo? Did you mean "I definitely tried with the music"?
It’s how you say/spell desperate while making yourself sound like a bit of a fanny Grin
HauntedPencil · 01/02/2022 15:05

I don't think you did anything particularly wrong that evening

I always try and take ques from other people & some "mum" friends seem to want to keep it at that and others seem more willing to meet up. It definitely shouldn't feel stressful (as this seems to be) or one sided.

MzHz · 01/02/2022 15:05

I reckon her H isn’t as keen as she was, your h made a twat of himself, Pam made a twat of herself

Perhaps they had a row about it after, and perhaps he said, it was a crap night, boring etc, shit music and you got trollied, we’re not doing that again!”

Perhaps she clicked better with the other couple.

Perhaps it was the desps or the sans kids… perhaps she thought you’re trying to be something you’re not.

Who knows, it’s not actually important

You might not be right for them, but they definitely aren’t right for you.

Absolutely find new real friends outside the school friend/ school gate community

SwishSwishBisch · 01/02/2022 15:09

You and DH sound like you’ve come across a bit ‘desps’ yourselves (I hate that abbreviation, it’s terrible, but I digress)

diddl · 01/02/2022 15:14

All sounds too desps to me.

Don't think I could be bothered any more either.

HauntedPencil · 01/02/2022 15:14

Surely adults don't not want to be friends with people that play crap music.. wouldn't you laugh about it and ask them to change it over

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