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Have I/we been ‘acquaintance zoned’

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JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 13:33

Bit of b’ground, and apologies if it’s long.

Family moved to a different area of the country at the end of summer. DC started school for first time and We and DC quickly became friendly with another couple and their DC.

They were also new to village but not wider area itms? We’ll call them Pam and Tom.

Since Sept there’s been lots of playdates and coffees between Pam and I and kids, with lots instigated by P&T including; hosting us for Sun lunch, dinner at a restaurant near where they used to live which they thought we would enjoy and a spa morning for Pam and I. All successful and clear we all had a hoot.

Lots in common with regular just nice long chit chatty messages back and forth between us throughout the wks. Was happy we’d found potential ‘friend friends’ and not just a ‘Mum friend’.

We’ve been having work done and finally repaid and hosted twixtmas drinks/nibbles. Mistake, we were all tired/bloated from Xmas. Also DH clearly forgotten how to host, spiling drinks, not topping up drinks, even tho he said he would take charge of that, got drunk, kept switching off my Spotify and putting his random play lists on and making us all listen, making random cocktails, atmosphere flat, clear P&T were not impressed. They were also a bit snooty about a few things which was a little red flag. Despite slow refills Pam got V drunk and took over convo, I felt like I was really boring but couldn’t get a word in edge ways! For two weeks they just kept moaning about how hungover they were in the following days.

Since then dynamic has changed.

They were desps for us to meet another couple they were friends with and organised for NY day lucnh, Pam cancelled this at last minute – understandable, said would rearrange asap, for us all to meet. This hasn’t happened and she dropped into a convo they’d been for lunch with other couple and then clearly remembered she possibly hadn’t meant to tell me and went v red/sheepish.

Messages have slowly dried to short/cursory and now nothing. Quite a contrast.

We’ve 4/5 playdates since Xmas (equally arranged/initiated by Pama and I tbf) but they have been a tad strained, probs not helped by kids being grumpy.

We also had synchronised drop-offs and would often walk with them to school as both on same route, since the start of term they are going much earlier so not seeing them then.

Thought a coffee sans kids would be good, Pam didn’t seem too keen and cancelled at last min; telling me how busy they are with work; they have their own bus and a big project on so totally understandable.

Last wk we had something planned in just Pam and I which had been in diary ages,I txt over wknd to conf, Pam said she’d let me know, did a few days later but was so negative, ‘will we have time, feeling pressured with the project, weather doesn’t look great, not covid but I’m coming down with a cold just to warn you….but still up for doing it’. Really?!? Felt I had no choice but to put her out of her misery and suggest rearranging, she obvs said yes and ‘I’ll be in touch’. She hasn’t been.

Told myself well they are so busy. Saw her today fine but breezy, I remarked they must be flat out and Tom said actually not bad, not much we can do at mo. Told Pam she looked great (she did) and she v sheepishly said well we’re meeting friends for brunch. Obviously, she can meet who she wants, clearly, and has other friends locally before anyone starts. But plainly they are not that busy are they. She finished up with lots of slightly embarrassed we must get something in, we’ll do something asap, but it felt awkward and no mention of the thing we’d canceled
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Am I reading too into this, I’ve lost a lot of confidence since lockdown and giving up work after having DC so worried my perspective might not be great?

Do I instigate a coffee/lunch or should I just take the hint and delete the convo/number to save any embarrassment, and keep it ‘ friendly breezy’ if I see them?

OP posts:
Bangolads · 02/02/2022 18:13

I totally understand your confusion over this- new adult friendships are weird. You can’t be certain what they’re thinking tbh and it seems a bit like you’re creating ‘red flags’ and reasons because you feel a bit rejected. I think you should just relax. Be nice, back off and see what happens. I think you’re over thinking it. Things change it’s ok, you’ll survive.

LoisLane66 · 02/02/2022 18:20

@MzHz
'sans kids'?
Surely if someone's using 'desps' as an abbreviated desperate, it should be desp, no 's' as that adds nothing and isn't even ending the original word.
I've no idea what it's means either and it's not in the Mumsnet list of abbreviations.
I think abbreviations go too far and end up being unreadable.

Wiseupkid · 02/02/2022 18:26

Can I be honest op?

I think they were seriously put off when your dh got so so drunk and ruined the evening, they may have decided you are not for them. In particular Pam may like you, but not your drunken dh with no manners so it is easier to distance herself from all of you, to not make it awkward.

You say they have a few drinks too, but I bet they don't see themselves in the same league as your dh (even if they are) and in their minds never forget to look after a guest. That night was the beginning of the end on some level something didn't work for them. Or they were sent to check you out, some areas are like that, they send in a flying monkey to check out the newcomer - collect data and report back with findings (I live in the country and this is a thing)

It is okay because she sounds awful anyway, move on to better friends op!

LoisLane66 · 02/02/2022 18:28

'Perhaps it was the desps or the sans kids'
Daft abbreviations and sans means 'without' so how could the sentence possibly make sense as it reads '...perhaps it was the desperates or the without kids'.
Make sense to you?
No, me neither.

silverbubbles · 02/02/2022 18:37

You always get those mums who are totally all over new people - loads of play dates, "come for dinner" etc etc. They are thoroughly checking you out, finding out if you are worth knowing, if you have anything of use to them.....

I think its like someone picking up a slightly sparkly stone on the drive away which catches their attention. Holding it in their hand, checking it out carefully, maybe putting in their pocket for a while and then when they've realised its not that special chucking it back down and looking for another.....

if you observe this woman you will probably notice she does this regularly with new people

gottogonow · 02/02/2022 18:37

I think if she was really invested in your friendship she would carry on seeing you one to one, and just avoid the partner meet ups. Some people are like moths to a flame, “flirting” with whoever they think shines the brightest and then quickly move on for the slightest thing. I can recognise these people a long way off now, you deserve more consideration and sound like a thoughtful person.

CallmeBadJanet · 02/02/2022 18:38

@JanuaryJones22 Friendship situations like this never feel nice, 💐 but from your description of Pam, I think in the long run, you've dodged a bullet. Try friendship apps or Meet ups.

ThinWomansBrain · 02/02/2022 18:44

if P was v drunk and they both had hangovers, someone must have been topping up their drinks Grin

Wiseupkid · 02/02/2022 18:48

Maybe they were drinking them out of bottles thin? Grin Guzzling back the prosec as dh was too shit faced to pour! I kinda wish you were my neighbours op you sound like my type of people!! Mrs Bouquet can take herself off to another house where wine is 'served' perhaps from now on!

Blueeyedgirl21 · 02/02/2022 18:54

I’m wondering if they’ve been friend shopping to an extent and met people more ‘their scene’ - the dressing up for brunch etc is more like they’ve found people to do ‘naice’ things with? Don’t fret over it honestly life’s to short be polite and please yourselves !

Openskeptic · 02/02/2022 19:00

HI, People who rush in super friendly often back off for no reason. It's a pattern, so if you stay in touch, you'll see them do it to others. Don't pick over the evening, nobody ever dumps a friend or even an acquaintance over anything so trivial, unless they're incredibly shallow. If the evening was awkward – which your husband seemed to sense – maybe the backing off had already begun and you hadn't noticed. Just keep being your normal friendly self and proper friends will find you.

StellaGibs · 02/02/2022 19:03

I'd hate this level of friendship intensity and would likely try to cool it off in the same way, because there's no polite way to say I'm not into that kind of thing. Maybe the person she's meeting is more of a casual friend and that's what she's looking for?

GettingThemFromHereToThere · 02/02/2022 19:10

@JanuaryJones22

Admit even considering party was a mistake but I think some posters are adding 2+2 and making 25, DH was annoying/silly at best and yes some of those things may have made them reconsider, but we've done enough prior with them I would have thought that we wouldn't be cast aside, but maybe as someone said it was just too new for that and they are to 'cool/superficial'

That said I will be having a word with DH, it made me think of our early 20's, DH parents were not socialisey or party people and he had no idea re hosting, clearly my years of tutorage have gone out of the window during COVID! And to those who said yes I could have stepped up, I normally would have been more on it but as there were only 4 of us and Pam was mostly bending my ear, it was almost too late by the time I noticed/had chance to do anything!

It sounds like you put on a show. Do you always wear a mask?

You shouldn't have to be the hostess with the mostess. Perfect, funny, engaging yahdah yahdah.

Be authentic and you'll attract the right friends. You are now saying Pam was basically a bitch, which I doubt otherwise you wouldn't be struggling with her pulling away. Or she is, but so are you.

The key here is you being happy with who you and your DH are and making no apologies for it. It's very tiring trying to be perfect all the time.

Perime · 02/02/2022 19:13

Have you watched Motherland OP. Definitely worth a watch

StellaGibs · 02/02/2022 19:19

OP, have you heard of rejection sensitive dysphoria? You're just reminding me of myself in some of the things you are saying and I get this quite badly. I become like a dog with a bone over mistakes I could have made etc that made someone reject me. Rejection is not necessarily a flaw in your character but just incompatibility. It's hard to see through RSD and learn that though and it takes a lot of me talking myself down about it/rationalising that's what it is to get my head on straight.

LovedayCL · 02/02/2022 19:25

She’s probably in the throes of another new intense friendship and has many before, and will have many afterward.

CountessWindyBottom · 02/02/2022 19:26

I suspect that they’re pretty insulted that their generosity wasn’t reciprocated. They’ve had you around for a roast dinner twice and you said the second time you remembered to bring wine. So they sound like generous hosts. You told them to have lunch before coming, that you’d provide some nibbles and then left them for extended period ‘sans’ drinks. This has happened to me and I find it infuriating. I know I’m generous to a fault and circumstances can dictate that people may not recriprocate but there are a few clues in what you’ve written (texting you with wine suggestions etc) that make me believe this is what the issue is.

GettingThemFromHereToThere · 02/02/2022 19:27

@silverbubbles

You always get those mums who are totally all over new people - loads of play dates, "come for dinner" etc etc. They are thoroughly checking you out, finding out if you are worth knowing, if you have anything of use to them.....

I think its like someone picking up a slightly sparkly stone on the drive away which catches their attention. Holding it in their hand, checking it out carefully, maybe putting in their pocket for a while and then when they've realised its not that special chucking it back down and looking for another.....

if you observe this woman you will probably notice she does this regularly with new people

Isn't that how anyone makes friends? Get to know someone then decide if you see a lasting friendship? I mean, how do you make friends without getting to know new people?
Thatbliddywoman · 02/02/2022 19:31

@DickMabutt73962

YABU for the abbreviations. I thought they owned a literal 'bus' 🙄
Just realised I did too! Abbreviations are fine online if they're well known. 'Bus' isn't one of them!

Yes they sound like intense flavour of the month people to me. I'd be slightly miffed at an event i expected to be enjoyable that wasn't (& I don't like crap hosting, why didn't you pick up DHs 'jobs' if he weren't doing them?) But it is a bit odd to end an otherwise functioning friendship over one night.
I hope 'Pam and Toms' catches on for this sort of thing, like 'Being Wendied' did!

Mirw · 02/02/2022 19:50

What is the issue? You need to get a grip as I got really fed up reading. If it is due to your DH being a bit of a prat then drop them! If it is because she was drunk, drop them. Friends put up with the drunken crap, because they know it could be them... So it is okay.

Notanewusertool · 02/02/2022 20:06

You sound like hard work. I've seen my best friend, who lives nearby, twice since Christmas. We've both been busy. I've seen other people and so has she. I am not over analysing her character or assuming it was due to my husband forgetting "years of tutorage" when I host. Because she knows where the kitchen is in my house and will top up her own wine if necessary. The way you describe these people they absolutely are acquaintances rather than friends. But you sound needy.

lborgia · 02/02/2022 20:09

I could feel my blood pressure rise reading the OP, just from the intensity of it all.

I think it's because Pam got so drunk, and monopolised the conversation, and was bitchy.

You said they spent so long complaining about hangovers - to me that sounds like someone trying to distance themselves from their own behaviour, as if you gave them too much booze, or bad wine!

Which is another point. If you were slow to top up, how on earth did they get so rat arsed? Maybe they thought your DH was trying to slow them downGrin

Neurodiversitydoctor · 02/02/2022 20:11

Hmmm there was a "Pam" in one of the mother's in Dd's primary school class. Boozy, indiscriminately over friendly and the other side high turnover of besties. She couldn't believe that I have known my 4 best friends for 40, 30 and 16 years respectively. I can't believe she doesn't have friends from Uni, school or work. Different strokes.

CPL593H · 02/02/2022 20:12

I would love to have been a fly on the wall at this party, which sounds as if it should feature Alison Steadman and the work of Demis Roussos.

OP, they aren't your friends, you barely know them. I would let it go, if the kids are OK with each other, great.

Vloggamamma · 02/02/2022 20:18

@grapewine

The dinner sounds like a bit of a disaster. Your husband got drunk?

They've pulled back. I would have done the same, to be honest.

Sounds like Pam was too according to OP and they did text saying they were hungover for days .
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