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Have I/we been ‘acquaintance zoned’

223 replies

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 13:33

Bit of b’ground, and apologies if it’s long.

Family moved to a different area of the country at the end of summer. DC started school for first time and We and DC quickly became friendly with another couple and their DC.

They were also new to village but not wider area itms? We’ll call them Pam and Tom.

Since Sept there’s been lots of playdates and coffees between Pam and I and kids, with lots instigated by P&T including; hosting us for Sun lunch, dinner at a restaurant near where they used to live which they thought we would enjoy and a spa morning for Pam and I. All successful and clear we all had a hoot.

Lots in common with regular just nice long chit chatty messages back and forth between us throughout the wks. Was happy we’d found potential ‘friend friends’ and not just a ‘Mum friend’.

We’ve been having work done and finally repaid and hosted twixtmas drinks/nibbles. Mistake, we were all tired/bloated from Xmas. Also DH clearly forgotten how to host, spiling drinks, not topping up drinks, even tho he said he would take charge of that, got drunk, kept switching off my Spotify and putting his random play lists on and making us all listen, making random cocktails, atmosphere flat, clear P&T were not impressed. They were also a bit snooty about a few things which was a little red flag. Despite slow refills Pam got V drunk and took over convo, I felt like I was really boring but couldn’t get a word in edge ways! For two weeks they just kept moaning about how hungover they were in the following days.

Since then dynamic has changed.

They were desps for us to meet another couple they were friends with and organised for NY day lucnh, Pam cancelled this at last minute – understandable, said would rearrange asap, for us all to meet. This hasn’t happened and she dropped into a convo they’d been for lunch with other couple and then clearly remembered she possibly hadn’t meant to tell me and went v red/sheepish.

Messages have slowly dried to short/cursory and now nothing. Quite a contrast.

We’ve 4/5 playdates since Xmas (equally arranged/initiated by Pama and I tbf) but they have been a tad strained, probs not helped by kids being grumpy.

We also had synchronised drop-offs and would often walk with them to school as both on same route, since the start of term they are going much earlier so not seeing them then.

Thought a coffee sans kids would be good, Pam didn’t seem too keen and cancelled at last min; telling me how busy they are with work; they have their own bus and a big project on so totally understandable.

Last wk we had something planned in just Pam and I which had been in diary ages,I txt over wknd to conf, Pam said she’d let me know, did a few days later but was so negative, ‘will we have time, feeling pressured with the project, weather doesn’t look great, not covid but I’m coming down with a cold just to warn you….but still up for doing it’. Really?!? Felt I had no choice but to put her out of her misery and suggest rearranging, she obvs said yes and ‘I’ll be in touch’. She hasn’t been.

Told myself well they are so busy. Saw her today fine but breezy, I remarked they must be flat out and Tom said actually not bad, not much we can do at mo. Told Pam she looked great (she did) and she v sheepishly said well we’re meeting friends for brunch. Obviously, she can meet who she wants, clearly, and has other friends locally before anyone starts. But plainly they are not that busy are they. She finished up with lots of slightly embarrassed we must get something in, we’ll do something asap, but it felt awkward and no mention of the thing we’d canceled
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Am I reading too into this, I’ve lost a lot of confidence since lockdown and giving up work after having DC so worried my perspective might not be great?

Do I instigate a coffee/lunch or should I just take the hint and delete the convo/number to save any embarrassment, and keep it ‘ friendly breezy’ if I see them?

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Laffielle · 01/02/2022 19:38

I've found January to be a really quiet month for socialising. Maybe the friendship will start to pick up again.

Reallybadidea · 01/02/2022 20:04

It does sound as though Pam is pulling back, but unfortunately you're probably never going to know exactly why.

I actually think that they sound pretty rude. I can't imagine treating someone like this - cancelling, making excuses to rearrange etc. It's not cool and why would you even want to be friends with them? Life is too short to be friends with people who dick you around like that.

WomanStanleyWoman · 01/02/2022 20:09

Do I instigate a coffee/lunch or should I just take the hint and delete the convo/number to save any embarrassment, and keep it ‘ friendly breezy’ if I see them?

I think this is a bit contradictory. How would it save any embarrassment to delete them if you’re still planning on being ‘friendly breezy’? If anything, it will cause it, as they’ll probably notice. Or is that the point?

I see a lot of threads on here about friendships that have drifted or become one-sided and ‘Shall I try one more time or just delete her and move on?’ seems to be a common question. Why does it have to be so final? You don’t have to speak to someone just because you have their number. A delete/block very much looks like a deliberate attempt to make a point - ‘firing the first shot’ or trying to force a discussion/confrontation. Sometimes it’s okay to just do nothing.

Your children are friends with their children. You don’t want to cost your children friends just because the adult friendship has cooled. If Pam doesn’t make any effort to make arrangements, you’ll soon realise, and you can file her and Tom under ‘acquaintance’ too.

GettingThemFromHereToThere · 01/02/2022 20:20

I would stop second guessing yourself.

It's quite obvious that she's pulling back.

That doesn't mean it's your fault, in fact, from what you've said, you and your DH haven't done anything wrong. Real friends accept that you aren't perfect. The odd flat meet up is to be expected, although it's difficult with new friends.

In all honesty, she sounds flaky and cliquey. Not the type of woman I'd want too close and she can clearly blow hot and cold.

I would cool off. Stop messaging her. You may find she comes back to you but it sounds like she's just a bit of a meh friend.

Whitebluepurple · 01/02/2022 20:25

Your husband sounded very hard work when you hosted and maybe that’s put them off a bit. Pam’s husband can’t really imagine wanting to spend time with your husband one on one and has maybe asked his wife to cool things down a bit.

I’d just let it go for now.

tkwal · 01/02/2022 21:16

You're new (ish) to the area you can make other friends but take this as a dry run and don't jump in feet first next time. I'd contact Pam in a month or so and suggest a coffee, see how that does.nothing wrong in having casual friendships. By the way, did you ever consider that they have other friends who may have been out of the picture for a while ?

JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 21:49

Thanks to all those who've left constructive comments insight.

@minipie clearly I'm not like @Whatisthepointinthis friend am otherwise I wouldn't be wasting my time on here asking for advice would I! I have never been in this situation and wanted some advice.

Re the intensity, yes accept it was, but I must reiterate as I said up thread the intensity came from Pam, chatty messages, the more involved socialising all suggested by Pam, I have merely reciprocated and followed the tone not set it. Have I been subconsciously/semi-consciously aware all along, that it was probably too intense, slightly odd (I did think re the spa morning for example...well haven't you got anyone closer to go with), probably heading for this outcome, most definitely.

But I suppose I was a) flattered and b) after raising a small baby to reception age, going through global pandemic and moving away from my friends and family I was probably to have a bit of fun. The old me would certainly have been more skeptical and played it cooler.

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JanuaryJones22 · 01/02/2022 22:02

@Giraffesandbottoms @SheWoreYellow the snooty comments red flags;

so Pam mentioned a nearby tiny village, I said ooh we know it well we were going to buy X house it was on over the summer, a real steal. Pam asked how much it was on for, soI told her "oh It'll have sold for much more 100k at least at least if not more" the sub text I read to be which you could never afford, yes we could dear and then some! I just smiled and changed subject.

She also spent a lot of time moaning/bitching, was very snooty about friends of theirs who'd bought in a nearby suburb - which is lovely, saying "house nice, but never would have paid that to live there." She was also indiscreet about something from this woman's past (think they've known each other since early 20's, relatively benign, but I wouldn't have been happy, especially as we are likely to meet them at some point).

Was really mean about another local primary, would I have wanted mine to go no, am I relieved they're there not yes, but I maybe wouldn't voice it publicly and not in the way she did, it was very mean, which I didn't like.

She was also taking the piss out of another Mum which again I was like ummm felt uncomfortable, we can all bitch, it is apparently a social construct but again this was just mean, I'm not sure how goof friends they are but this other lady's DC's are older and Pam's DC goes to a club with hers and they share lifts.

I came to mind of what my Mum has always said 'if they're bitching behind other people's backs to you, they're bitching behind your back to others'.

She was however mortal and I put it down to too much booze maybe not enough lunch - I did make it VERY clear I was just doing nibbles and to have lunch though.

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Youngstreet · 01/02/2022 22:07

@JanuaryJones22. Don’t worry, in a few years you’ll be really glad when you don’t get invited out at night.
I remember the parent friends, they really are a transient group who change as your dc attend different schools and activities.
One or two that stick will depend partly on your dc’s friendship.
Dd has a school friend who she’s still close to and we see the parents more because of this.

Fairylightsongs · 01/02/2022 22:18

Pam mentioned a nearby tiny village, I said ooh we know it well we were going to buy X house it was on over the summer, a real steal. Pam asked how much it was on for, soI told her "oh It'll have sold for much more 100k at least at least if not more" the sub text I read to be which you could never afford, yes we could dear and then some! I just smiled and changed subject.

I guess much of that was in tone, as I can’t quite grasp how that was the subtext, when you’d just told her it was under priced, sounds like she was agreeing with you.

You sound like you don’t really like her, so just put it behind you. Maybe the feeling is mutual.

CandyLeBonBon · 02/02/2022 00:20

It's all a bit 'Abigail's Party' isn't it?!?

milkyaqua · 02/02/2022 00:41

Geez, the number of times you've said 'boozey', and talked of wines and getting/being drunk... I'd be more concerned about that than P and T.

Viviennemary · 02/02/2022 00:46

Just sounds like the friendship has run its course and they are making excuses not to meet up. Just move on and dont bother chasing this friendship. They sound a bit shallow.

Ophanim · 02/02/2022 00:55

@DickMabutt73962

YABU for the abbreviations. I thought they owned a literal 'bus' 🙄
So did I until I read your post. I thought the big project was to turn it in to a motor home Blush
Butterismylife · 02/02/2022 02:29

@Anonymous48

You know, your post would be a lot easier to read and understand without all of the abbreviations.
Useless snark, hardly any abbreviations bar DC and NYE, wind your neck in grandma. Add something of value and intelligence or go back to sleep.
WomanStanleyWoman · 02/02/2022 06:05

[quote JanuaryJones22]**@Giraffesandbottoms* @SheWoreYellow* the snooty comments red flags;

so Pam mentioned a nearby tiny village, I said ooh we know it well we were going to buy X house it was on over the summer, a real steal. Pam asked how much it was on for, soI told her "oh It'll have sold for much more 100k at least at least if not more" the sub text I read to be which you could never afford, yes we could dear and then some! I just smiled and changed subject.

She also spent a lot of time moaning/bitching, was very snooty about friends of theirs who'd bought in a nearby suburb - which is lovely, saying "house nice, but never would have paid that to live there." She was also indiscreet about something from this woman's past (think they've known each other since early 20's, relatively benign, but I wouldn't have been happy, especially as we are likely to meet them at some point).

Was really mean about another local primary, would I have wanted mine to go no, am I relieved they're there not yes, but I maybe wouldn't voice it publicly and not in the way she did, it was very mean, which I didn't like.

She was also taking the piss out of another Mum which again I was like ummm felt uncomfortable, we can all bitch, it is apparently a social construct but again this was just mean, I'm not sure how goof friends they are but this other lady's DC's are older and Pam's DC goes to a club with hers and they share lifts.

I came to mind of what my Mum has always said 'if they're bitching behind other people's backs to you, they're bitching behind your back to others'.

She was however mortal and I put it down to too much booze maybe not enough lunch - I did make it VERY clear I was just doing nibbles and to have lunch though.[/quote]
Frankly you make her sound like a right piece of work. I wouldn’t be too bothered about her being less friendly than she had been - it sounds like a blessing in disguise.

JanuaryJones22 · 02/02/2022 09:29

@WomanStanleyWoman yes none us were really the best version of ourselves that evening! Apart from Tom was fine and happy if I remember.

It has made me examine other things she has said previously WomanStanley, like I said I am always wary about people who bitch about current friends who they still regularly see, it makes me uncomfortable.

And gosh no, sorry, I didn't mean I was going to 'block her' to force a conversation, haha, I don't even know how to do that! I just meant so I wasn't tempted to think 'Oh I fancy a chat, I'll see if Pam is free' then be subjected to more awkwardness and put myself in a situation where I feel bad. Like you said the kids are friends and that is lovely, I don't want to do anything to spoil that.

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JanuaryJones22 · 02/02/2022 09:33

Admit even considering party was a mistake but I think some posters are adding 2+2 and making 25, DH was annoying/silly at best and yes some of those things may have made them reconsider, but we've done enough prior with them I would have thought that we wouldn't be cast aside, but maybe as someone said it was just too new for that and they are to 'cool/superficial'

That said I will be having a word with DH, it made me think of our early 20's, DH parents were not socialisey or party people and he had no idea re hosting, clearly my years of tutorage have gone out of the window during COVID! And to those who said yes I could have stepped up, I normally would have been more on it but as there were only 4 of us and Pam was mostly bending my ear, it was almost too late by the time I noticed/had chance to do anything!

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Thievesoil · 02/02/2022 10:19

I don’t think your DH did much wrong! Who hasn’t been a big daft at a party? He was drunk. Friends don’t care about this stuff. I would count your blessings you have escaped her!

Somethingsnappy · 02/02/2022 10:37

Could pam be embarrassed about her own behaviour?

BobHadBitchTits · 02/02/2022 11:08

@Lanique

Gawd, I always see big intense new friendships as being such a pressure. I find that anyone who approaches me and tries to be besties straight away as a big red flag. These people are often quite superficial and narcissistic (sorry I know this word gets bandied about on here but I can categorically say that the only people I've had this experience with have turned out to be total narcs). I'm all for putting the breaks on and going slow with any new friendship, if I were you I'd back away op. It sounds as if she might have done you a favour tbh.
I've never thought about it before but I've had two friends that seem to be very "flavour of the month" with regards to their friends and you're right. Narcs.
LoisLane66 · 02/02/2022 17:47

itms?

Lovingeveryrainbow · 02/02/2022 17:51

I don’t see what you’re husband did that wrong tbh. Why would you be annoyed that someone got merry at Xmas drinks? Or that he made cocktails and put a playlist on?

That being said , I think you need to take a step back. You might be coming on too strong.

Sassoon · 02/02/2022 18:04

Totally ignore them - if I go to a drunken party in someone's house I don't expect anyone topping up up my drinks past the eating dinner stage and competitive indie Spotify changing is the order of the day - same when I have people around to mine. They just don't sound like your type of people (or mine!) so I'd let it go and be civil.

mirabellemadrigal · 02/02/2022 18:05

Is your house massive in comparison?

Are they jealous?