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Not to help young adult son with rent deposit

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namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 04:15

Have namechanged as embarrassed about this situation.

Eldest son didnt get in to his preferred course at chosen university, I encouraged him to take up the same course at the opposite end of the country., I thought that student life might make him more self-reliant with the support system of halls around him. Before he left, I realised that I had made a terrible mistake in this encouragement and that he simply wasn;t self-sufficient enough as I prodded and prodded him to deal with the paperwork, but he was excited and I didnt want to be the bad guy.

Despite my misgivings, things seemed to go well, he seemed happy, was attending lectures, learned how to wash clothes and all seemed good. Because his paperwork was late, he didnt get his grant, but I had spoken to the halls and they were understanding as they could see the paperwork was in. The first Christmas home (2019), he had a massive row with his younger brother, much drama, but left with it all resolved and everyone friends again.

He went back, his grant came in and he assured us that he had paid his (catered) halls, which left him with spending money for the rest of the year. Then he got covid, by the time he recovered, the University had moved to online teaching only, he couldnt/didnt get access and the rest of that year was basically a write off, he did no work and failed everything. . I spoke to him about moving to a university up here and starting again and he seemed to be considering it. He did by now have a girlfriend, and they had spent most of lockdown together.

They both came up at Summer, and she was quiet, but lovely. I spoke to him again about coming up to restart university and he told me that his gf had also failed, was retaking the year and he wanted to be with her. I suggested that he went back but took a year out, earned some cash, and had a think about what he wanted to do the following year.

They rented a room in a shared house, with him unofficially staying but not on the tenancy. When he came up at Xmas (2020), not only had he not been working it seemed this housing arrangement had blown up, and he could no longer stay there, that he had not paid any hall fees the previous year, and was horrifically overdrawn. He asked for a £600 deposit for a room and £300 for a bike to do deliveroo. I had a bit of a "come to jesus" talk with him where I repeated over and over that the solution was to get a job, any job, as soon as possible and start digging his way out of this mess, but you know it was a shit year and I was willing to give him some leaway and cycling is healthy , so I gave him £1k

A month after this, one of the sharers wanted to move out, and he had the opportunity to rent a room, so he moved back in, I let him keep the deposit money. He seemed to be doing deliveroo piecemeal, scraping rent every month, and was struggling even with his Dad sending him £50-100pcm, and me sending him in the region of £2k over this 6 month period Telephone contact was sparce, but the course his girlfriend was doing was being shut by the university, she was likely to fail again and he was trying to persuade her to come up here with him, they would both live here, go back to college then on to university. This seemed like a plan!

In August he phoned me and asked if I would buy him a ticket up to visit, I knew he was skint so I agreed. What followed was just a whirlwind. The mess, the rudeness, the entitlement, the swaggering about - his sister had borrowed his headphones that he had left here and lost them. I offered to replace them but it turned into an enormous drama with him demanding far far more than I believe they cost. He basically ruined his brother's birthday to the point where I was in tears in the kitchen, he had an enormous row with his Dad who had had the baliffs for his hall fees debt at his door, which almost turned physical. I am wfh, yet he was crashing about at all hours of the day and night, wandering in and talking to me while I was on meetings, continually demanding my time and attention over trivia, yet in the month he stayed here he was unable to change a lightbulb I repeatedly asked him to (high ceilings, he's tall, I cant safely reach). So much of it was trivia,... but there was so much of it. He announced that he would not be coming back, his gf was moving in with her parents, he would get a flat nearby and she would move in. The main feeling that most of us had when he left was relief but skepticism that his flat plan would work out.

Then radio silence for a month...until friday. I got a call from him saying that he had been staying in hotels but had run out of money and was now going to live in a tent while his council house application came through. I explained that this really wasnt how council housing worked and that as a single man he was at the very bottom of the priority list. He then sent me a link to a private flat he had been looking at, but - and with a very very long sob story about why - could not afford (any of) the deposit. I said I would take a look. I spoke to him a few hours later where he seemed to think that I had agreed to transfer him £4k(!) for this deposit, I made it clear that I had done no such thing.

I gave it careful thought last night. I am not well disposed to him after his recent antics, but he is clearly in a mess. I cannot have him staying here, I simply do not have time for the petty arguments, mess, interruptions and rudeness. His dad has offered to put him up short-term on condition that he buck his ideas up. I wrote to him this morning offering a "three figure sum" for him to use as he pleases, but that I strongly recommended that he took up his dad's offer, and used the money to return. What I got back was a torrent of messages calling me "financially negligent", "a twisted sociopath", that I blame him for things going wrong in my life and that "everyone" has said that it is bad for his mental health to speak to me, and that I am never to call him again.

I am now quite seriously worried, but even less inclined to transfer him any money. AIBU/WWYD?

(oh lordy, this is long, congrats if you made it to the end)

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WhoWearsShortShorts · 03/10/2021 04:45

He will be back when he realises he needs that money you were offering but I think a dose of tough love is what's needed. If you keep bailing him out he's going to keep lurching from one disaster to another, feeling entitled to your money.

I would set aside the three figure sum you were prepared to lend him but only give it to him if his attitude changes and he sorts himself out with a proper plan for the future. I reckon right now he's saying what he is to try and make you cave in and give him that 4k to piss up the wall

Weenurse · 03/10/2021 04:45

Take a step back.
You have bailed him out in the past and he has not learned anything from that.
He needs to get a job and pay his bills.
Hard to do, good luck

Catflapkitkat · 03/10/2021 04:47

OP that all sounds awful and so stressful. I think your suggestion that he goes to his Dads is a good one, especially as you have younger children in the house.

No - I personally wouldn't transfer the money to him. He seems quite explosive if he doesn't get his own way. Has he always been like this? Stop feeling guilty about encouraging him to do his chosen course at the other end of the country. He needs to calm down (apologise?) and show you some respect. He can't keep threatening his way into your purse. Where will it end. When he 25, 30 or 40?

From the timeline, it sounds as if he coming up to 20 - very few 20 year olds live on their own in flats when not working or studying. He has been offered a safe place to stay and a chance to get his life back on track.

Finfintytint · 03/10/2021 04:49

He needs to stand on his own two feet now. Forget Uni, he clearly can’t cope. He needs to get a job and support himself.

RedMarauder · 03/10/2021 04:51

Your son is using you like a cash machine.

Stop giving him money so he can blow it. It isn't helping him.

You simply need to tell him you can't afford to give him the sum as you have his siblings to support. Tell him he needs to take up his dad's offer to stay with him and transfer him the train fare to get to his dad's only.

Also talk to/email his dad. Tell his dad about his son's uselessness with money - really simplify what you have said here - and that you have sent the boy the train fare to get to his dad's. State where you think your son is plus any other contact details. Then wish his dad luck with trying to improve his attitude.

Then leave his dad to try to sort it out.

RussianSpy101 · 03/10/2021 04:52

This sounds so tough for you OP so I do hope you’re okay.
I wouldn’t bail him out (again) he’s had the offer of a roof over his head at his dads but that doesn’t seem to be good enough.

He seems to want to have it all without having to do any of the hard work. What are his long term plans? Career, another course, full time job? I think he needs to learn to stand on his own 2 feet now.

Undertheoldlindentree · 03/10/2021 04:53

What is a 'come to jesus' talk?

Testingprof · 03/10/2021 04:54

Stop bailing him out. If he needs help he needs to accept the help people are offering. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I would have framed the original deposit and bike money as a loan and insisted he paid it back even if it was at £5 a month. He hasn’t learnt any financial sense as he hasn’t had to face the consequences of his lack of it.

Tough love time.

Greygreenblue · 03/10/2021 04:57

It’s time to stop enabling him OP. He’s an adult, if he chooses to live in a tent instead of getting a job/using his funds wisely then so be it. He isn’t going to stand on his own 2 feet till he has to by the sound of it. So stop giving him the ability not to.

Undertheoldlindentree · 03/10/2021 05:00

Sorry, I've now googled that!

Would suggest he stays with his Dad for an agreed fixed term - 3 months? Works full-time in a factory, restaurant or Amazon to save rent deposit. Alternatively, can he find a job in a hotel etc where he gets basic residential accommodation? Very difficult for you to have him home because of the impact on siblings.

Whydidimarryhim · 03/10/2021 05:19

Let him live his own life - has he been enabled all his life by his family?
Has he ever taken responsibility?
He sounds unpleasant.
Do not give him another penny.
Be interesting to hear the girlfriends take on it - she’s got sense - she’s gone back to her family.
The tent threat was manipulation on his part.
He could get on an apprenticeship scheme if he got his act together.
Does he use marijuana?
He can also sign on and claim ESA.
I’m sure it’s tough for you as he’s your son. He’s also manipulating you.

Peoniesandpeaches · 03/10/2021 05:26

No you aren’t being unreasonable to refuse to give him the money. Usually people behave in this manner because it has been a really effective way to get what they want in the past. If it’s ever to stop he needs to face consequences for it. The next time he sends an abusive message I would warn him that a second abusive message will result in you blocking him for a day or 2 until he calms down.

namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 05:35

Yup, I've suggested he looked at live-in jobs near his gf - there are a lot of fruit picking farms there with caravans and jobs galore. He asked me if I was making a stint on the plantation a condition of giving him the deposit. I also suggested looking at rooms in shared houses, but apparently they need a flat of their own and are fed up of sharing.

Thing is, his Dad's isnt actually a great option. He lives rurally, neither of them drive and public transport is sparce. His attitude last time he came up was vile, to the point where I dont want him living here. While his Dad has offered and means it sincerely, whether he could actually handle him living there if he behaved the same way, I'm not sure.

I think he might well end up in that tent out of stubborness/spite/stupidity, but I do worry both about his safety and also that there is other stuff going on. While he can be a PITA at times, it is unusual for him to be such a consistant PITA over every. single. little. thing. Manufacturing rows non-stop etc.

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PennyWus · 03/10/2021 05:44

Of course you should not give in to his demands. Partly because it won't end there, he'll be back for more and more; and if he learns that being abusive successfully bullies you into giving him money, he will continue to be abusive. Also because he needs to learn a few life lessons. "I love you, but you are no longer a child and you have had plenty of help and chances. If you want my advice or help to apply for jobs or benefits, or to help find ways to live more cheaply, I'm here for you. But i'm not a cash machine."

Summersnake · 03/10/2021 05:45

Similar ,very very similar story / situation to my relative who has autism …only we didn’t realise at the time ,he got a diagnosis recently,it sort of all made sense after that ..

namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 05:55

@RedMarauder I can afford to give him it, I simply dont want to.

His Dad and I are on the same(ish) page here. I've been saying for a while that he isnt really adulting, and his Dad's response has been "tough for the young", "...but covid", "give him a break", "rent's too damn high", etc, but between the baliffs and the way he's behaved, his rose tinted spectacles are well and truely off.

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namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 05:57

@Summersnake

Similar ,very very similar story / situation to my relative who has autism …only we didn’t realise at the time ,he got a diagnosis recently,it sort of all made sense after that ..
Oh interesting.

He has a diagnosis of Aspengers. Its fairly mild and he's high functioning, but can be a little "odd".

How did it work out with your relative?

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WTF475878237NC · 03/10/2021 05:57

I was just going to ask does he have any additional needs or disabilities?

I think if he doesn't then I wouldn't be inclined to send the money. If he does I would but with more scaffolding: clearly he needs structured support in the steps involved to carry out any plans he makes otherwise it all goes to pot.

hardtofindaname · 03/10/2021 06:00

I don't have any advice but you have my sympathy. He sounds exactly like my brother who is now in his late 59s. It's hard and it causes my mum intense sadness. Bring a parent is so hard. You live then so much you would do anything for them but you don't know if doing those things will make them worse. Sorry not to be able to offer advice but I know what you're going through is really really thought. I hope someone is there to give you a hug 💐

Catflapkitkat · 03/10/2021 06:03

So you have 100% take up on your don't give him the money/tough love option and your update is making excuses for him - his Dad is rural and he doesn't drive, his Dad isn't an option because he can't handle him, it's unusual for him to be such a consistent PITA. STOP OP.

Your son can walk, ride a (second hand) bike, cadge a lift into town. A job means he could save up for driving lessons. His Dad has already said he can stay if he bucks his ideas up - your son's stay at his Fathers is dependent on HIS behaviour changing, not if his Father can cope with it. To say that his behaviour is usually not that bad yet you have given us a shopping list of his selfish, arrogant and manipulative behaviour going back to 2019.

Mrstwiddle · 03/10/2021 06:05

Sorry to hear he’s being such an idiot. If you do lend him money (definitely not £4000 but a smaller amount), I would advise telling him that it’s a loan and needs to be repaid.

Obviously, he won’t but at least then next time he comes asking for more money, you can include that in your argument for not giving/lending more.

He sounds very entitled.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 03/10/2021 06:06

a diagnosis is surely neither here nor there?

let him carry on sharing and stop being so bloody demanding

Catflapkitkat · 03/10/2021 06:06

Just seen your Aspbergers update. Bit of a drip feed OP

MrsLargeEmbodied · 03/10/2021 06:08

what on earth @Catflapkitkat

it makes no difference.
it is regarding money that he is asking for
and the answer would be no

SuperCaliFragalistic · 03/10/2021 06:09

I do kind of agree that life is tough for young people and covid has fucked up uni for lots of them so I have some sympathy with your son who is clearly adrift without much of a plan or future prospects. He also knows that you and his dad are generally happy to hand over cash, which he is now counting on. But I wouldn't be inclined to give in to his demands and his behaviour is currently unacceptable. The disorganisation, frequent changes of plan and level of disruption he brings does make me wonder about autism as another pp said. But also some people are just chaotic and spoilt. I don't know what the answer is - is there some way you can help him without handing over more money? He needs a regular job really.