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Not to help young adult son with rent deposit

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namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 04:15

Have namechanged as embarrassed about this situation.

Eldest son didnt get in to his preferred course at chosen university, I encouraged him to take up the same course at the opposite end of the country., I thought that student life might make him more self-reliant with the support system of halls around him. Before he left, I realised that I had made a terrible mistake in this encouragement and that he simply wasn;t self-sufficient enough as I prodded and prodded him to deal with the paperwork, but he was excited and I didnt want to be the bad guy.

Despite my misgivings, things seemed to go well, he seemed happy, was attending lectures, learned how to wash clothes and all seemed good. Because his paperwork was late, he didnt get his grant, but I had spoken to the halls and they were understanding as they could see the paperwork was in. The first Christmas home (2019), he had a massive row with his younger brother, much drama, but left with it all resolved and everyone friends again.

He went back, his grant came in and he assured us that he had paid his (catered) halls, which left him with spending money for the rest of the year. Then he got covid, by the time he recovered, the University had moved to online teaching only, he couldnt/didnt get access and the rest of that year was basically a write off, he did no work and failed everything. . I spoke to him about moving to a university up here and starting again and he seemed to be considering it. He did by now have a girlfriend, and they had spent most of lockdown together.

They both came up at Summer, and she was quiet, but lovely. I spoke to him again about coming up to restart university and he told me that his gf had also failed, was retaking the year and he wanted to be with her. I suggested that he went back but took a year out, earned some cash, and had a think about what he wanted to do the following year.

They rented a room in a shared house, with him unofficially staying but not on the tenancy. When he came up at Xmas (2020), not only had he not been working it seemed this housing arrangement had blown up, and he could no longer stay there, that he had not paid any hall fees the previous year, and was horrifically overdrawn. He asked for a £600 deposit for a room and £300 for a bike to do deliveroo. I had a bit of a "come to jesus" talk with him where I repeated over and over that the solution was to get a job, any job, as soon as possible and start digging his way out of this mess, but you know it was a shit year and I was willing to give him some leaway and cycling is healthy , so I gave him £1k

A month after this, one of the sharers wanted to move out, and he had the opportunity to rent a room, so he moved back in, I let him keep the deposit money. He seemed to be doing deliveroo piecemeal, scraping rent every month, and was struggling even with his Dad sending him £50-100pcm, and me sending him in the region of £2k over this 6 month period Telephone contact was sparce, but the course his girlfriend was doing was being shut by the university, she was likely to fail again and he was trying to persuade her to come up here with him, they would both live here, go back to college then on to university. This seemed like a plan!

In August he phoned me and asked if I would buy him a ticket up to visit, I knew he was skint so I agreed. What followed was just a whirlwind. The mess, the rudeness, the entitlement, the swaggering about - his sister had borrowed his headphones that he had left here and lost them. I offered to replace them but it turned into an enormous drama with him demanding far far more than I believe they cost. He basically ruined his brother's birthday to the point where I was in tears in the kitchen, he had an enormous row with his Dad who had had the baliffs for his hall fees debt at his door, which almost turned physical. I am wfh, yet he was crashing about at all hours of the day and night, wandering in and talking to me while I was on meetings, continually demanding my time and attention over trivia, yet in the month he stayed here he was unable to change a lightbulb I repeatedly asked him to (high ceilings, he's tall, I cant safely reach). So much of it was trivia,... but there was so much of it. He announced that he would not be coming back, his gf was moving in with her parents, he would get a flat nearby and she would move in. The main feeling that most of us had when he left was relief but skepticism that his flat plan would work out.

Then radio silence for a month...until friday. I got a call from him saying that he had been staying in hotels but had run out of money and was now going to live in a tent while his council house application came through. I explained that this really wasnt how council housing worked and that as a single man he was at the very bottom of the priority list. He then sent me a link to a private flat he had been looking at, but - and with a very very long sob story about why - could not afford (any of) the deposit. I said I would take a look. I spoke to him a few hours later where he seemed to think that I had agreed to transfer him £4k(!) for this deposit, I made it clear that I had done no such thing.

I gave it careful thought last night. I am not well disposed to him after his recent antics, but he is clearly in a mess. I cannot have him staying here, I simply do not have time for the petty arguments, mess, interruptions and rudeness. His dad has offered to put him up short-term on condition that he buck his ideas up. I wrote to him this morning offering a "three figure sum" for him to use as he pleases, but that I strongly recommended that he took up his dad's offer, and used the money to return. What I got back was a torrent of messages calling me "financially negligent", "a twisted sociopath", that I blame him for things going wrong in my life and that "everyone" has said that it is bad for his mental health to speak to me, and that I am never to call him again.

I am now quite seriously worried, but even less inclined to transfer him any money. AIBU/WWYD?

(oh lordy, this is long, congrats if you made it to the end)

OP posts:
Beautiful3 · 03/10/2021 07:15

It will.never end. He will keep being abusive, demanding money everytime he runs out. He has to hit rock bottom to realise what he needs is a job. Don't give him any money and don't allow him to live with you. He is a capable fully grown man, not a child. When he is desperate he will find a job. If you continue to give him money, he will always be this way.

jelly79 · 03/10/2021 07:17

I started reading this with the attitude of 'of course I would help my DC' I have a university aged DD

But hell no! He would be back again if you did anyway, asking for more!

He needs to learn and he has another option, he needs to live with his dad and get working for his own deposit. That's a much more helpful solution than handing him more cash he doesn't appreciate

YouJustDoYou · 03/10/2021 07:17

Sadly, it appears he was never taught how to look after himself, or even any financial acumen. What's done is done, you can't go back on that obviously (apart from to ensure you don't make the same mistakes with the children still living at home), and it's good you've decided not to pay the entitled spoiled brat any deposit. He's not stupid, just lazy and spoiled, he'll be quite capable of working and as long as no one caves and give him money he'll soon be motivated to not be penniless.

DomPom47 · 03/10/2021 07:25

You have bailed him out too many times financially - you love him, he is your son and hindsight is a wonderful thing. I would love to say I would have acted differently in your place but who knows.

I don’t think his girlfriend has helped the situation in that not doing well and failing shows him that it is normal when actually if he had put in the effort and attended online lectures he would have at least passed.
I don’t think if you give him money where it is three figures or four figures is going to change the situation long term as he will be back at your door.
Personally, I would refuse the money as he is not emotionally or financially responsible. I would make a note of all the money you have lent him and divide that buy how much money a Deliveroo person gets paid and have that to hand. Then work out how much rent he would be paying at this new place, add all the bills etc and again divide by an hourly rate and have it at hand.
Me personally, I would give him a one off chance when he calls back when he realises you’re not lending him the deposit and ask him to come round for a chat talk to him and say you are willing to have him back but he needs to pay you some rent money but no money towards food or bills. Tell him after a year he can move out and you will give him back his rent money provided he is working consistently for that year. If he can’t agree to this then he does what he wants to but without support from him. Be prepared that he will not even listen and so email/text this to him. He needs to learn, if not when he is young it will only get worse when older.
Sorry you are experiencing this and hope all ends up well 💐

XelaM · 03/10/2021 07:28

Sorry going against the grain here. He is your son and is clearly unwell and in big trouble. Kicking him out and letting him live in a tent if he wishes could be dangerous for him. You need to sit down with him and work out a proper plan for the near future and oversee that he puts it into motion. Just because he is an adult doesn't stop him from being your son to who you must be very worried about

StrongArm · 03/10/2021 07:28

I would push him going to stay with his dads. You're a bit blindsided to thinking no one can help because he was so awful when he was with you. Even though his dad's is isolated, it might be just what he needs and I would certainly be pushing that option before anything else.

You have my sympathies - when they are this age, they have the ability to cause so much grief!

FollowYourOwnNorthStar · 03/10/2021 07:31

OP I agree this is tricky. As you both want to help and have the resources to help, but you are wise to see that your aimless giving of money to help so far, as not ‘helped’.

I think you need to sit down and think, possibly with your ex, and come up with a plan. Whilst I don’t know the specific situation, from an outsiders view, my plan for him might be:

  1. buy a ticket for him to his father’s and send him the link/details
  2. arrange a meeting with him at his father’s for you, his Dad m and him (maybe the GF?), to be had the second or third day after he gets there. Both you and ex say if you are being asked to fund his life, then you are entitled to know what you are funding and what his plan is to get to self-sufficiency (eg a job, uni, both etc) If he refuses to do this, then you say ‘I love you, but I am not finding something I know nothing about that could be a waste of time/money’.

If he refuses to have the meeting, or if the plans aren’t to your satisfaction, then no money. You still love him, but you aren’t going to find his stupidity.

If the plans are sensible, then pay directly to the landlord or uni course of whatever. Don’t give him the cash. You might also want to make seeing someone for his autism a condition of the $.

You might also give him some money every week, conditional on a civalized phone call or email telling you what he is up too. If the calls of emails stop, so does the direct money each week.

I would not be helping him with money unless I knew it was actually helping. From the sounds of things, any lump sum money to this young man without guidance to help with end badly. If he refuses to accept your guidance, then no money.

LaRobeRouge · 03/10/2021 07:31

He may have aspergers, but he is also entitled, rude and self pitying. He needs a plan that extends beyond "get mum or dad to give me money". Forget uni, he's not up to it. He can't say there are no jobs as there are plenty. I've never seen so many places advertising for staff before.

Living with his dad and learning to drive would be a good start. Driving will open up more job opportunities too. But he needs to have conditions attached to this and any further support. He needs to be respectful first and foremost otherwise he can sort himself out.

MeridianB · 03/10/2021 07:32

Agree with PP about no more money. The lies about the hall fees is so awful, then failing to follow through properly on the bike use, and checking into a hotel instead of organising a rental deposit.

What stands out for me is that at 20/21 him and his gf are unable to live in house shares or (in his case) with family and will only consider a private rental. Does he realise this is something most people of that age might want but won’t be able to afford?

Couple with this, his increasing inability to get along with people doesn’t bode well for work prospects. It could be his ASD or it something else, but it would be worth understanding more about his outlook and expectations of life so you can ensure a healthy dose of reality.

FollowYourOwnNorthStar · 03/10/2021 07:33

Typos!

*fund, not find stupidity
*or, not of emails

CiderJolly · 03/10/2021 07:35

Someone mentioned marijuana. I agree that it’s highly likely that this is due to drugs or alcohol abuse. Have you any suspicions at all op?

The twisting of the truth and the paranoia, the nastiness, the obsession with getting more money- to me it’s all classic signs of addiction.

Francescaisstressed · 03/10/2021 07:41

My brother was exactly the same after his first year of uni, eventually found out he chucked all his money into cocaine.
If I were you I would be sitting down, asking to look at his bank statements and finding out where the money is going.
Its exactly what my parents did, and could see the £100s drawn out at 2am.
Obviously I hope that's not the case for you, and could be just poor understanding of finances and a few bad decisions, but if he's working and it's a house share I struggle to see how he couldn't afford that?

ChristmasPlanning · 03/10/2021 07:42

Can you lend him the deposit with conditions it's a flat stare and he funds a job?

PerseverancePays · 03/10/2021 07:45

He is clearly not coping. Agree that you have been much too accommodating. He does not seem to have a clear handle on what he needs to do to be an adult and is lashing out in fury that everyone else seems to have got the memo.
Do you all pretend that he doesn’t have Aspergers ‘mildly’. He is showing you what it’s like living with Aspergers; he hasn’t got a clue.
My advice would be to get in touch and arrange a meeting at a mutually convenient time and place like lunch in a pub. Talk to him about what he finds difficult , don’t make the conversation about money. Talk practicalities. If he’s bullshitting, call him out in it, calmly, tell your truth. That you want him to be successful and it’s difficult for you to see him struggling. Money is not the answer. Talk about his Aspergers. Does he have any knowledge of the condition. Has he joined any online forums and learned any coping strategies? Go from there.
Do not have him back in your house, the entitled behaviour you wrote about is typical bullying behaviour born of frustration, he can see everyone else getting on with their lives and inside he is screaming what is wrong with me? You need to draw firm boundaries and stick to them, he may never accept them and stay in the fantasy that everyone is out to get him. He needs to learn how to function with his condition and to that he needs to start by accepting that he has it.
I wish I had known all this when my son was twenty. If you give your son money, make it a modest monthly amount. No big numbers, they’re all fantasy.

pelosi · 03/10/2021 07:46

@ChristmasPlanning

Can you lend him the deposit with conditions it's a flat stare and he funds a job?
Given he lied that he used the previous money from OP to pay halls fee, would you trust him?

Best thing for him is to say no and don’t enable him. He can go to his dad’s.

Terminallysleepdeprived · 03/10/2021 07:47

I think you and his dad need to take some responsibility here.

How did he get to 18 and not know how to wash his clothes etc? Dis you ever teach him about money and budgeting?

You have clearly molly-coddled him growing up and then pushed him out to uni totally unprepared amd expected him to flourish. He has become a spoilt brat quite frankly and you are still pandering to him by continually bailing him out without consequences.

I think you need to make some really harsh decisions and discussions with him.

No money

He stays at his dad's

He gets a job

He starts to pay off his debts

He starts to save

But I also think you need to consider whether he is using drugs. It does seem erratic behaviour changes and there may well be more to it.

You need tonapply some very tough love but seeing him on the streets in a tent is not the right way to go about that. Especially when you and his dad are responsibility for some of this mess from the info given

Milkbottlelegs · 03/10/2021 07:48

@XelaM

Sorry going against the grain here. He is your son and is clearly unwell and in big trouble. Kicking him out and letting him live in a tent if he wishes could be dangerous for him. You need to sit down with him and work out a proper plan for the near future and oversee that he puts it into motion. Just because he is an adult doesn't stop him from being your son to who you must be very worried about
He’s been offered the opportunity to live with his dad. They’ve not left him homeless.

OP I’m sorry, this sounds rubbish. Not being allowed access to the online classes should have been a big red flag that he owed the university money.

I would not give him any more money because he won’t change and it will just keep happening. As a PP said pay for things directly if you really want to but for me that would be limited to paying for some sort of training.

JetRocket · 03/10/2021 07:48

I’m sorry but if this were my DS it would be a huge dose of tough love from me. The way I view it is you can listen to our sensible advice and we will help or you can storm your own unwise path and deal with the fallout yourself (it’s character building)!

My parents were the same with my sibling and i, it worked out well.

Milkbottlelegs · 03/10/2021 07:53

How did he get to 18 and not know how to wash his clothes etc?

He got into university. Pretty sure he’s capable of reading an instruction manual.

ChocolateFace · 03/10/2021 07:59

He got into university. Pretty sure he’s capable of reading an instruction manual.

My DS managed to get himself on to an engineering degree, then never figured out how to use the washing machines in his halls. Odd, but true.

ChocolateFace · 03/10/2021 08:03

He has a diagnosis of Aspengers. Its fairly mild and he's high functioning, but can be a little "odd".

I think a lot of posters have missed this bit. My DS used the washing machine perfectly well at home, then struggled to use the ones at uni.

I don't think your DS needs "tough love" but neither do I think you should give him anymore than you can comfortably afford.

tranquillitybase · 03/10/2021 08:04

I think whatever happens, it's time for him to forget any plans to go to university and just get a job to support himself. He needs to grow up, and you giving him a deposit won't actually help much, as the landlord will want to do credit/affordability checks that he won't pass anyway.

DFOD · 03/10/2021 08:05

I agree with others suggesting his behaviour indicates a problematic relationship with drugs or alcohol.

This needs to be considered / investigated and if an it’s an issue dealt with directly otherwise anything else is inadvertently enabling any addiction.

The amount of money spent doesn’t add up to me especially with lockdown and not being able to go out - where have the thousands gone?

Some people with ASD also self medicate with alcohol or drugs. This might explain it but doesn’t excuse it.

It’s a mess that needs directly tackling in a specific way with boundaries and insight.

I wonder if the GF is withdrawing from him slowly?

icedcoffees · 03/10/2021 08:06

You should have included his Asperger's diagnosis in your OP. It's hugely relevant to why your son is struggling and I agree with a PP who said that he's perhaps not quite as high functioning as you think he is.

He may not have special needs as such, but Asperger's can make even the most basic tasks appear very very overwhelming and difficult and many people just bury their heads in the sand and hope it goes away.

I would start a new thread and include the information about his diagnosis is your first post.

Milkbottlelegs · 03/10/2021 08:07

@ChocolateFace

He got into university. Pretty sure he’s capable of reading an instruction manual.

My DS managed to get himself on to an engineering degree, then never figured out how to use the washing machines in his halls. Odd, but true.

That’s got nothing to do with ability and everything to do with laziness.