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Not to help young adult son with rent deposit

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namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 04:15

Have namechanged as embarrassed about this situation.

Eldest son didnt get in to his preferred course at chosen university, I encouraged him to take up the same course at the opposite end of the country., I thought that student life might make him more self-reliant with the support system of halls around him. Before he left, I realised that I had made a terrible mistake in this encouragement and that he simply wasn;t self-sufficient enough as I prodded and prodded him to deal with the paperwork, but he was excited and I didnt want to be the bad guy.

Despite my misgivings, things seemed to go well, he seemed happy, was attending lectures, learned how to wash clothes and all seemed good. Because his paperwork was late, he didnt get his grant, but I had spoken to the halls and they were understanding as they could see the paperwork was in. The first Christmas home (2019), he had a massive row with his younger brother, much drama, but left with it all resolved and everyone friends again.

He went back, his grant came in and he assured us that he had paid his (catered) halls, which left him with spending money for the rest of the year. Then he got covid, by the time he recovered, the University had moved to online teaching only, he couldnt/didnt get access and the rest of that year was basically a write off, he did no work and failed everything. . I spoke to him about moving to a university up here and starting again and he seemed to be considering it. He did by now have a girlfriend, and they had spent most of lockdown together.

They both came up at Summer, and she was quiet, but lovely. I spoke to him again about coming up to restart university and he told me that his gf had also failed, was retaking the year and he wanted to be with her. I suggested that he went back but took a year out, earned some cash, and had a think about what he wanted to do the following year.

They rented a room in a shared house, with him unofficially staying but not on the tenancy. When he came up at Xmas (2020), not only had he not been working it seemed this housing arrangement had blown up, and he could no longer stay there, that he had not paid any hall fees the previous year, and was horrifically overdrawn. He asked for a £600 deposit for a room and £300 for a bike to do deliveroo. I had a bit of a "come to jesus" talk with him where I repeated over and over that the solution was to get a job, any job, as soon as possible and start digging his way out of this mess, but you know it was a shit year and I was willing to give him some leaway and cycling is healthy , so I gave him £1k

A month after this, one of the sharers wanted to move out, and he had the opportunity to rent a room, so he moved back in, I let him keep the deposit money. He seemed to be doing deliveroo piecemeal, scraping rent every month, and was struggling even with his Dad sending him £50-100pcm, and me sending him in the region of £2k over this 6 month period Telephone contact was sparce, but the course his girlfriend was doing was being shut by the university, she was likely to fail again and he was trying to persuade her to come up here with him, they would both live here, go back to college then on to university. This seemed like a plan!

In August he phoned me and asked if I would buy him a ticket up to visit, I knew he was skint so I agreed. What followed was just a whirlwind. The mess, the rudeness, the entitlement, the swaggering about - his sister had borrowed his headphones that he had left here and lost them. I offered to replace them but it turned into an enormous drama with him demanding far far more than I believe they cost. He basically ruined his brother's birthday to the point where I was in tears in the kitchen, he had an enormous row with his Dad who had had the baliffs for his hall fees debt at his door, which almost turned physical. I am wfh, yet he was crashing about at all hours of the day and night, wandering in and talking to me while I was on meetings, continually demanding my time and attention over trivia, yet in the month he stayed here he was unable to change a lightbulb I repeatedly asked him to (high ceilings, he's tall, I cant safely reach). So much of it was trivia,... but there was so much of it. He announced that he would not be coming back, his gf was moving in with her parents, he would get a flat nearby and she would move in. The main feeling that most of us had when he left was relief but skepticism that his flat plan would work out.

Then radio silence for a month...until friday. I got a call from him saying that he had been staying in hotels but had run out of money and was now going to live in a tent while his council house application came through. I explained that this really wasnt how council housing worked and that as a single man he was at the very bottom of the priority list. He then sent me a link to a private flat he had been looking at, but - and with a very very long sob story about why - could not afford (any of) the deposit. I said I would take a look. I spoke to him a few hours later where he seemed to think that I had agreed to transfer him £4k(!) for this deposit, I made it clear that I had done no such thing.

I gave it careful thought last night. I am not well disposed to him after his recent antics, but he is clearly in a mess. I cannot have him staying here, I simply do not have time for the petty arguments, mess, interruptions and rudeness. His dad has offered to put him up short-term on condition that he buck his ideas up. I wrote to him this morning offering a "three figure sum" for him to use as he pleases, but that I strongly recommended that he took up his dad's offer, and used the money to return. What I got back was a torrent of messages calling me "financially negligent", "a twisted sociopath", that I blame him for things going wrong in my life and that "everyone" has said that it is bad for his mental health to speak to me, and that I am never to call him again.

I am now quite seriously worried, but even less inclined to transfer him any money. AIBU/WWYD?

(oh lordy, this is long, congrats if you made it to the end)

OP posts:
IntermittentParps · 03/10/2021 11:50

I hear you that he has Aspergers but I do have to wonder if he's also unwell/into drugs or something else that he is spending a lot on.

cookingisoverrated · 03/10/2021 11:50

I wouldn't give him any more money.

He needs to get a job, any job, and look for a flat share. What he wants isn't what he can afford. Tell him to join the real world in that regard. He's not entitled to champagne when he can only afford a pint on occasion.

ChocolateFace · 03/10/2021 11:51

I agree with @CarrotSticks23 - he needs support

Those questioning about him sharing a house- it can be very difficult for those on the autistic spectrum to share a house. My DS coped by getting up very early and going out before anyone woke up to avoid everyone else and hiding in his room if anyone else was home. At one point he hadn't seen one of the other house mates for months, and because he wasn't leaving food in the fridge presumes he'd moved out. He didn't ask any of the other housemates about it though. I think trying to avoid sharing a house is why the tent idea has come from.

MothsAreSadButterflies · 03/10/2021 11:55

He is lost. For whatever reason.
He needs both parents, and a home, not money.

Viviennemary · 03/10/2021 11:58

He sounds in a really bad way. I don't think throwing more money at him is the answer though. He has to live somewhere. So let him stay with his Dad. Even if it's not convenient. If you pay up you are only going to face the same in another few months.,

Phobiaphobic · 03/10/2021 12:03

I have direct experience of both Aspergers and this kind of behaviour. To be frank, I don't think much of your son's behaviour is about the autism, so much as having strong narcissistic and possibly sociopathic traits. In other words, he's thoroughly self centred and willing to wilfully hurt or use the people around him. You need strong boundaries to withstand that.

The good news is he is still young, and will likely improve as he ages and his brain matures. In the meantime, you need to protect yourself from his most chaotic behaviour and bullying. All you can do is offer as much help as you are willing to give, then accept that what he chooses to do from then on is out of your hands. Not to say that's easy - coming to terms with a child who turns into an unpleasant adult is one of the hardest things any parent has to do. So much guilt and so many what ifs. You may love your kids, but you can't always like them.

AmanitaRubescens · 03/10/2021 12:20

@Catflapkitkat

Just seen your Aspbergers update. Bit of a drip feed OP
I swear every other kid on MN has Aspergers or ADHD. This isn't my experience in real life so I'm always sceptical. Especially, when it's not in the OP.
LynetteScavo · 03/10/2021 12:32

@AmanitaRubescens
How would you know?

I have one on the autistic spectrum, one probably dyslexic but undiagnosed, one diagnosed dyslexic and waiting for an adhd assessment. The only people who know all of that are me and DH.

Very, very few people know about DSs autism diagnosis.

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2021 12:33

£4000 for a rent deposit?

Really?

Who or what is he in trouble with? You can easily get a room share for less.

£4000 is a very arbitary amount which has me wondering if something else is going on, especially given what you've said about his other behaviour.

Drugs? Gambling? Loan Shark?

RantyAunty · 03/10/2021 12:33

I wouldn't give him another penny.

He may have gotten involved in drugs while away.

So many ASD on here but a diagnosis isn't an excuse to molly coddle, especially boys, and do nothing.

It's too late now, but he should have had lots of help right after the diagnosis to learn how to do things independently.

He's an adult so you can't make him do anything at this point like therapy or anything. Let him stay at his Dad's but I suspect if he doesn't change his ways, he will alienate everyone who is trying to help him. The gf likely left for similar reasons of being mistreated and used.

AmanitaRubescens · 03/10/2021 12:35

The only people who know all of that are me and DH.

And presumably their teachers?

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2021 12:46

re comments that its definitely not drugs cos autism.

Sorry, I don't buy that. It makes him more not less vulnerable to exploitation by someone else.

And there clearly is something more to this because you don't need 4 grand as a deposit. Its a strange amount to be requesting - its far more than he needs for what he is saying its for.

Hawkins001 · 03/10/2021 12:53

To be fair, would your son be better cast adrift to hopefully learn the value of your help ?

Vitallyli · 03/10/2021 13:12

I'd meet and talk to him. Looks like something is going on and he needs a friend and family for support. It's not just about the money.

Derbee · 03/10/2021 13:20

Absolutely do not send the money. Even if he’s a bit obnoxious, I’d struggle with the thought of my child in a tent. I’d want him to know that coming home, and working to earn enough to move out was alway an option.

OnwardsAndSideways1 · 03/10/2021 13:24

Could they have requested 6 months rent up front? Or require a guarantor, this is the more likely scenario than the £4k representing a months' rent.

SunShinesBrightly · 03/10/2021 13:39

@RedToothBrush

re comments that its definitely not drugs cos autism.

Sorry, I don't buy that. It makes him more not less vulnerable to exploitation by someone else.

And there clearly is something more to this because you don't need 4 grand as a deposit. Its a strange amount to be requesting - its far more than he needs for what he is saying its for.

I agree. Anyone who thinks that people with Autism are any less susceptible to drug, alcohol abuse than any other teenager or young adult are way off the mark. I say they are MORE susceptible. It is also possible for a person with Autism to be as unreliable, unpleasant, irresponsible, manipulative as any other person with these undesirable personality traits.
LynetteScavo · 03/10/2021 13:40

@AmanitaRubescens - yes but the teachers don't know about the siblings they don't teach diagnosis. Some people know DS is on the autistic spectrum, but they won't also know DD is dyslexic. DD also has a condition that is scoffed at on MN: "well that's unlucky you have that as so very few people have it" has been posted sarcastically before. Yes it is bloody unlucky DD has it, and it's on a need to know basis that we tell people.

LemonSwan · 03/10/2021 13:52

He clearly cant manage his own money. A grant and student loan is a lot of money to piss away with nothing to show for it.

If he cant live at home I would fund accommodation direct only.

Same with food - when we were at uni you could get prepaid Tesco cards which parents could top up for food spend.

Goodluck

chesirecat99 · 03/10/2021 13:53

So many ASD on here but a diagnosis isn't an excuse to molly coddle, especially boys, and do nothing.

It's too late now, but he should have had lots of help right after the diagnosis to learn how to do things independently.

It isn't mollycoddling, it's support. A young adult with ASD will need ongoing support to find coping strategies to manage day to day life. OP's DS didn't get that. It's not too late but it will be harder as he has to want to accept support that isn't just using his parents as a cashpoint.

OP, I really think you need to move your thread to the SN boards for advice.

I would also be very concerned about what will happen if his relationship with the GF ends.

Alfiemoon1 · 03/10/2021 13:54

Going through something similar with my dd so you have my sympathy op

Gingerkittykat · 03/10/2021 14:05

Have you pointed him in the direction of the homeless unit of the council? He would at least get a place in a hostel or B ad B and help to sort out some benefits which will help him in the short term.

People with Aspergers can need a lot of help managing daily life, even the people who seem to be high functioning. One area which can be a problem is executive function ie the part of the brain which plans and organises things.

Did he have any disability support at uni?

AdultingAvoidance · 03/10/2021 14:09

Why has nobody told you yet to get in contact with social services he is a homeless adult with additional needs. (OK I stopped reading after page 1, it may have been mentioned). Make it their problem he is an adult and is not living in your house

BSideBaby · 03/10/2021 14:11

I'd say the possibility of drug use is high, as a lot (most?) of the behaviours being shown point to this.

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chesirecat99 · 03/10/2021 14:19

I swear every other kid on MN has Aspergers or ADHD. This isn't my experience in real life so I'm always sceptical. Especially, when it's not in the OP.

1% of children in the UK have a diagnosis of ASD, @AmanitaRubescens, so it's hardly surprising...