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Not to help young adult son with rent deposit

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namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 04:15

Have namechanged as embarrassed about this situation.

Eldest son didnt get in to his preferred course at chosen university, I encouraged him to take up the same course at the opposite end of the country., I thought that student life might make him more self-reliant with the support system of halls around him. Before he left, I realised that I had made a terrible mistake in this encouragement and that he simply wasn;t self-sufficient enough as I prodded and prodded him to deal with the paperwork, but he was excited and I didnt want to be the bad guy.

Despite my misgivings, things seemed to go well, he seemed happy, was attending lectures, learned how to wash clothes and all seemed good. Because his paperwork was late, he didnt get his grant, but I had spoken to the halls and they were understanding as they could see the paperwork was in. The first Christmas home (2019), he had a massive row with his younger brother, much drama, but left with it all resolved and everyone friends again.

He went back, his grant came in and he assured us that he had paid his (catered) halls, which left him with spending money for the rest of the year. Then he got covid, by the time he recovered, the University had moved to online teaching only, he couldnt/didnt get access and the rest of that year was basically a write off, he did no work and failed everything. . I spoke to him about moving to a university up here and starting again and he seemed to be considering it. He did by now have a girlfriend, and they had spent most of lockdown together.

They both came up at Summer, and she was quiet, but lovely. I spoke to him again about coming up to restart university and he told me that his gf had also failed, was retaking the year and he wanted to be with her. I suggested that he went back but took a year out, earned some cash, and had a think about what he wanted to do the following year.

They rented a room in a shared house, with him unofficially staying but not on the tenancy. When he came up at Xmas (2020), not only had he not been working it seemed this housing arrangement had blown up, and he could no longer stay there, that he had not paid any hall fees the previous year, and was horrifically overdrawn. He asked for a £600 deposit for a room and £300 for a bike to do deliveroo. I had a bit of a "come to jesus" talk with him where I repeated over and over that the solution was to get a job, any job, as soon as possible and start digging his way out of this mess, but you know it was a shit year and I was willing to give him some leaway and cycling is healthy , so I gave him £1k

A month after this, one of the sharers wanted to move out, and he had the opportunity to rent a room, so he moved back in, I let him keep the deposit money. He seemed to be doing deliveroo piecemeal, scraping rent every month, and was struggling even with his Dad sending him £50-100pcm, and me sending him in the region of £2k over this 6 month period Telephone contact was sparce, but the course his girlfriend was doing was being shut by the university, she was likely to fail again and he was trying to persuade her to come up here with him, they would both live here, go back to college then on to university. This seemed like a plan!

In August he phoned me and asked if I would buy him a ticket up to visit, I knew he was skint so I agreed. What followed was just a whirlwind. The mess, the rudeness, the entitlement, the swaggering about - his sister had borrowed his headphones that he had left here and lost them. I offered to replace them but it turned into an enormous drama with him demanding far far more than I believe they cost. He basically ruined his brother's birthday to the point where I was in tears in the kitchen, he had an enormous row with his Dad who had had the baliffs for his hall fees debt at his door, which almost turned physical. I am wfh, yet he was crashing about at all hours of the day and night, wandering in and talking to me while I was on meetings, continually demanding my time and attention over trivia, yet in the month he stayed here he was unable to change a lightbulb I repeatedly asked him to (high ceilings, he's tall, I cant safely reach). So much of it was trivia,... but there was so much of it. He announced that he would not be coming back, his gf was moving in with her parents, he would get a flat nearby and she would move in. The main feeling that most of us had when he left was relief but skepticism that his flat plan would work out.

Then radio silence for a month...until friday. I got a call from him saying that he had been staying in hotels but had run out of money and was now going to live in a tent while his council house application came through. I explained that this really wasnt how council housing worked and that as a single man he was at the very bottom of the priority list. He then sent me a link to a private flat he had been looking at, but - and with a very very long sob story about why - could not afford (any of) the deposit. I said I would take a look. I spoke to him a few hours later where he seemed to think that I had agreed to transfer him £4k(!) for this deposit, I made it clear that I had done no such thing.

I gave it careful thought last night. I am not well disposed to him after his recent antics, but he is clearly in a mess. I cannot have him staying here, I simply do not have time for the petty arguments, mess, interruptions and rudeness. His dad has offered to put him up short-term on condition that he buck his ideas up. I wrote to him this morning offering a "three figure sum" for him to use as he pleases, but that I strongly recommended that he took up his dad's offer, and used the money to return. What I got back was a torrent of messages calling me "financially negligent", "a twisted sociopath", that I blame him for things going wrong in my life and that "everyone" has said that it is bad for his mental health to speak to me, and that I am never to call him again.

I am now quite seriously worried, but even less inclined to transfer him any money. AIBU/WWYD?

(oh lordy, this is long, congrats if you made it to the end)

OP posts:
LakieLady · 03/10/2021 09:41

If he's homeless, the council in the area where he's staying may be able to help with a loan for a deposit and rent in advance, especially as he's vulnerable because of his Aspergers. And the money will be paid directly to the landlord or letting agent, so no chance of him spending it on other things. And I agree that £4k sounds like a lot for a deposit.

I also think he needs professional input, ideally from a housing support/homeless prevention project. He would be a shoo-in for the project I used to work for, we had loads of clients with that sort of profile and needs.

I don't think you should lend him the money, but if you do, make sure the deposit isn't paid to him personally, or he'll fritter it away on other shite.

He needs to get a job, any job. Is he claiming benefits?

GrandmasCat · 03/10/2021 09:42

@EmeraldShamrock most people with Aspergers do not have a carer, some get DSA if they have a statement (formal diagnose by a qualified professional) and help tends to be minimal, they wouldn’t have a career or a teacher organising everything for them when they are at university.

Interestingly, what most kids with aspergers need is structure and a clear set of rules, which helps them set up expectations and to adhere to a pattern of behaviour. Not having those rules is what de rails the situation, it makes them feel lost.

Sadly, his parents have come to the point when their son is an adult and they cannot force that help on him, the only power left they have is to cut the flow of money and hope that would make him come back to his senses gradually.

PlanDeRaccordement · 03/10/2021 09:43

Your DS is autistic and I agree with pp, that sending him to university with no support and ill prepared the other side of the country was madness. There was no chance he’d succeed.

I agree no more cash to him. If you want to help, pay for the item or service direct. But he will need support. The tough love approach won’t teach him to be independent, it will only teach him you don’t care about him.

Going to his Dads might be a good solution, but you and his Dad need to stop ignoring the fact he is autistic and blaming him for behaviours outside his control. He probably honestly thought he’d paid the halls bill. He probably has no idea as to the value of money...hence not realising lots of money left over means halls bill not paid, and headphones don’t cost x but y. Even his deliveroo job will get me my own flat idea shows he has no idea as to the value of money. His idea of staying in a tent until he gets a council house also shows how much he is struggling to navigate doing the bare essentials of adult life.

So, he needs a home. Send him to his Dads and make sure Dad gets professional support for autistic young adults to work towards independent living. Yes many autistic people can get to independence but it normally takes longer and more effort, support than a NT person.

I’d also ask Dad to get him assessed for MH as many autistic people get overwhelmed and have a break down into severe depression when their lives get as chaotic as your DS life has gotten.

Auroreforet · 03/10/2021 09:45

A relative of mine bailed her son out at 20.
40 years later she has nothing left to give.
Don't do it.

GrandmasCat · 03/10/2021 09:45

He is an adult now, parents can’t force him to do ANYTHING he doesn’t want to, no matter how well intentioned and how hard they try.

BoomChicka · 03/10/2021 09:46

I don't want to go into huge detail but your son sounds very very similar to my brother, and if he is on the same path then bailing him out now will get you absolutely nowhere, in 6 months he'll be getting evicted from the house share and he'll be back for more. I've watched my parents bail my brother out over and over and he's 35 now and still completely unable to manage his time/money/employment/consequences of his actions. If there is a way to get him some professional support (from where? I don't know) or any other route than money I would strongly recommend that, or you'll still be posting about him in 20 years.

lemondrops99 · 03/10/2021 09:47

Ah I see, yes I agree. I also suspect that if it is a drug problem, his behaviour toward siblings and everyone else will improve.

He might not be able to work at Dad's for a bit but I think that's probably the compromise. He can start to build his life again once he's stopped lurching from one crisis to the next.

PiscesScot · 03/10/2021 09:47

Sorry I haven’t been able to read all replies so may already be mentioned - the deposit is highly unlikely to be enough. Do not be a guarantor for him! As when he doesn’t pay his rent you’ll be on the hook for that too 🙁

EmeraldShamrock · 03/10/2021 09:48

EmeraldShamrock most people with Aspergers do not have a carer, some get DSA if they have a statement (formal diagnose by a qualified professional) and help tends to be minimal, they wouldn’t have a career or a teacher organising everything for them when they are at university.
My DS has a full time SNA my DD has a split one.
DD has learning difficulties.
DS is highly intelligent no social or organisational skills.
I know a few family in NI who qualify for DLA for DC with autism no learning difficulties, formerly known as asperger's.
There is help available supports for this boy.
College and university do make adjustments for a young person with disabilities.

Inagony234 · 03/10/2021 09:48

Maybe I'm old school.. But until he learnt some respect, learnt to manage money, and learnt some bloody manners, I wouldn't be giving him a penny. He's going to continually think you're a pushover and can ask you for anything. Time for some tough love I think.

LynetteScavo · 03/10/2021 09:51

@Milkbottlelegs - my DS is lots of annoying things, but he's not lazy or unclean- he was washing his duvet cover in the sink.

Sleepyhungryfattyanddoc · 03/10/2021 09:52

Has giving him money helped any of the other times?
Why would it work now?

EmeraldShamrock · 03/10/2021 09:52

Whatever you decide on the money has to stop, it'll never end.

icelolly12 · 03/10/2021 09:53

It does seem to be mainly mollycoddled sons who then turn into men who simply can't cope on their own. Too used to having chores done for them, and don't think beyond earning money, no thought about how to manage it or manage a home and the admin that comes with it.

He wants 4k, but has he sat down and showed you the paperwork for why it is 4k? 4K seems very high for a rental deposit which is usually a months rent or thereabouts. How he will spend it? How he will pay you back?

No way would I be giving him anymore money as you're just encouraging him. He needs to live with his Dad, be given chores, get a job and start learning the basics of how to run a house and manage money.

ChocolateFace · 03/10/2021 09:53

To all the posters suggesting drugs, I think you're way off the mark. This is someone on the autistic spectrum trying to make their way in the world, and calling out for help, but in really inappropriate ways.

Halfsiblingsmadecontact · 03/10/2021 09:54

I don't know that I've got any useful suggestions but really feel for you. My two are slightly younger, and I can see how things can go wrong. DD has an ASD diagnosis, and at the moment I'm very glad she's ended up on a gap year rather than straight to uni as I think she's learning some more bits about "adulting" while still in a supportive environment (working in a school overseas), and, crucially, the things that could go wrong don't involved exams and coursework deadlines for a change. So hopefully when she goes to uni next year, the study stuff will be a return to something she understands, but she's mastered more of the looking after herself and her money stuff as well.

DS doesn't have a diagnosis but may be ASD, just started 6th form. There is probably a lot of "growing up" stuff that he hasn't done over the last year and I need to actively encourage some of it when the opportunity presents. He's brillliant with school, but struggling to get his head around "you need to start researching uni and be ready to make some decisions". So far he finds it easier to do what he thinks other people think he should do, than figure out what he wants to do. If he was less brilliant the choices would be easier as the best path would be clearer!

OP, I hope your son can find some support external to his family, because it sounds like he's stuck in an unhelpful loop of expectations and dependence. Ideally he would sit down with you or his father, or both, and work through a plan of where do I want to be / what do I need to do to get there / how do make life work in the meantime. Fingers crossed drugs aren't involved and/or he can get free of them.

Ragruggers · 03/10/2021 09:55

When I read your initial post I thought Autism because I have experienced this.It will not get better because he has no idea how to handle money,bills never paid unable to see beyond the now.We have had the same,money doesn’t solve the situation because it will be spent over and over again without any plan.On being made homeless once again we contacted a Disability action help line who managed his money only then did the rent get paid but he decided he wanted all his money and he would manage it.This didn’t end well and he found a live in job but still unable,unwilling to have any help.Sorry it is hell.

MakingM · 03/10/2021 09:58

As @PlanDeRaccordement said “The tough love approach won’t teach him to be independent, it will only teach him you don’t care about him.”

…and it is clear that you do care about him despite what some people on here might be saying.

I have real reservations about stressed people in difficult circumstances asking a forum of strangers on the internet to advise them - even whether AIBU tbh. I’m doubting whether it leads to positive outcomes and that’s the most important thing.

Hope you and Dad can work it out to help DS the best you can OP. Will be thinking of you.

ChocolateFace · 03/10/2021 09:58

This is another case where a thread really shouldn't be in AIBU, where it's a free for all for posters to be unkind.

OP- I would suggest you ask this to be moved to adult children.

Emmelina · 03/10/2021 10:00

I think he has got so used to you bailing him out that he is turning nasty now you’ve said “enough is enough”. He’s clearly learning no lessons!
Are there any young person homeless hostels around? I’ll link one in my area to show you the kind of place I’m thinking of, but essentially they provide a room for a small fee and a lot of support with managing money, looking after yourself, help you get back into education etc. My Aspergers brother had to go into one for a while and it really helped him to turn things around.

These are Devon and Wiltshire based, but I’d be very surprised if there wasn’t a similar setup locally to you. amberweb.org/

EmeraldShamrock · 03/10/2021 10:02

agree with pp, that sending him to university with no support and ill prepared the other side of the country was madness.
If it is any help, I can completely understand why you hoped it would work.
I think you're throwing money at it as the family was finally free of his behaviours the thought of his return is daunting.
I'm so sorry. Flowers

DFOD · 03/10/2021 10:02

What’s your xH like?

Is he capable of supporting and encouraging your son to manage his ASD better - or is he likely to be inadvertently ineffective by being indulgent?

Is your xH up to it?

lawandgin · 03/10/2021 10:03

Sounds a lot like my brother, who by the way is a cocaine addict. Where did all the money go OP? I suggest you do some digging and do not give him anymore money.

Bellringer · 03/10/2021 10:05

Can he claim any benefit? Let him go to his dad and work out what he wants to do. Stand by but don't be too quick to rescue him

MilduraS · 03/10/2021 10:09

Agree with a pp that you should look for a young persons homeless hostel. My local one accepts people aged 16-25 and supports them in moving on to independent living. You just need to contact them directly to request an application form.

They have key worker meetings once or twice a week, have an action plan that is regularly reviewed and help with referrals to specialist agencies if required.