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Not to help young adult son with rent deposit

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namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 04:15

Have namechanged as embarrassed about this situation.

Eldest son didnt get in to his preferred course at chosen university, I encouraged him to take up the same course at the opposite end of the country., I thought that student life might make him more self-reliant with the support system of halls around him. Before he left, I realised that I had made a terrible mistake in this encouragement and that he simply wasn;t self-sufficient enough as I prodded and prodded him to deal with the paperwork, but he was excited and I didnt want to be the bad guy.

Despite my misgivings, things seemed to go well, he seemed happy, was attending lectures, learned how to wash clothes and all seemed good. Because his paperwork was late, he didnt get his grant, but I had spoken to the halls and they were understanding as they could see the paperwork was in. The first Christmas home (2019), he had a massive row with his younger brother, much drama, but left with it all resolved and everyone friends again.

He went back, his grant came in and he assured us that he had paid his (catered) halls, which left him with spending money for the rest of the year. Then he got covid, by the time he recovered, the University had moved to online teaching only, he couldnt/didnt get access and the rest of that year was basically a write off, he did no work and failed everything. . I spoke to him about moving to a university up here and starting again and he seemed to be considering it. He did by now have a girlfriend, and they had spent most of lockdown together.

They both came up at Summer, and she was quiet, but lovely. I spoke to him again about coming up to restart university and he told me that his gf had also failed, was retaking the year and he wanted to be with her. I suggested that he went back but took a year out, earned some cash, and had a think about what he wanted to do the following year.

They rented a room in a shared house, with him unofficially staying but not on the tenancy. When he came up at Xmas (2020), not only had he not been working it seemed this housing arrangement had blown up, and he could no longer stay there, that he had not paid any hall fees the previous year, and was horrifically overdrawn. He asked for a £600 deposit for a room and £300 for a bike to do deliveroo. I had a bit of a "come to jesus" talk with him where I repeated over and over that the solution was to get a job, any job, as soon as possible and start digging his way out of this mess, but you know it was a shit year and I was willing to give him some leaway and cycling is healthy , so I gave him £1k

A month after this, one of the sharers wanted to move out, and he had the opportunity to rent a room, so he moved back in, I let him keep the deposit money. He seemed to be doing deliveroo piecemeal, scraping rent every month, and was struggling even with his Dad sending him £50-100pcm, and me sending him in the region of £2k over this 6 month period Telephone contact was sparce, but the course his girlfriend was doing was being shut by the university, she was likely to fail again and he was trying to persuade her to come up here with him, they would both live here, go back to college then on to university. This seemed like a plan!

In August he phoned me and asked if I would buy him a ticket up to visit, I knew he was skint so I agreed. What followed was just a whirlwind. The mess, the rudeness, the entitlement, the swaggering about - his sister had borrowed his headphones that he had left here and lost them. I offered to replace them but it turned into an enormous drama with him demanding far far more than I believe they cost. He basically ruined his brother's birthday to the point where I was in tears in the kitchen, he had an enormous row with his Dad who had had the baliffs for his hall fees debt at his door, which almost turned physical. I am wfh, yet he was crashing about at all hours of the day and night, wandering in and talking to me while I was on meetings, continually demanding my time and attention over trivia, yet in the month he stayed here he was unable to change a lightbulb I repeatedly asked him to (high ceilings, he's tall, I cant safely reach). So much of it was trivia,... but there was so much of it. He announced that he would not be coming back, his gf was moving in with her parents, he would get a flat nearby and she would move in. The main feeling that most of us had when he left was relief but skepticism that his flat plan would work out.

Then radio silence for a month...until friday. I got a call from him saying that he had been staying in hotels but had run out of money and was now going to live in a tent while his council house application came through. I explained that this really wasnt how council housing worked and that as a single man he was at the very bottom of the priority list. He then sent me a link to a private flat he had been looking at, but - and with a very very long sob story about why - could not afford (any of) the deposit. I said I would take a look. I spoke to him a few hours later where he seemed to think that I had agreed to transfer him £4k(!) for this deposit, I made it clear that I had done no such thing.

I gave it careful thought last night. I am not well disposed to him after his recent antics, but he is clearly in a mess. I cannot have him staying here, I simply do not have time for the petty arguments, mess, interruptions and rudeness. His dad has offered to put him up short-term on condition that he buck his ideas up. I wrote to him this morning offering a "three figure sum" for him to use as he pleases, but that I strongly recommended that he took up his dad's offer, and used the money to return. What I got back was a torrent of messages calling me "financially negligent", "a twisted sociopath", that I blame him for things going wrong in my life and that "everyone" has said that it is bad for his mental health to speak to me, and that I am never to call him again.

I am now quite seriously worried, but even less inclined to transfer him any money. AIBU/WWYD?

(oh lordy, this is long, congrats if you made it to the end)

OP posts:
MakingM · 03/10/2021 08:54

I wouldn’t give him cash. I would suspect drugs are involved. Sorry. I would make sure he had a place to stay by organising it directly if possible.

And, yes, you are entirely right: “ was now going to live in a tent while his council house application came through. I explained that this really wasnt how council housing worked and that as a single man he was at the very bottom of the priority list.”

He will basically be living in a tent forever. We have quite a few of these men by us. It is very sad and shouldn’t be happening.

nannybeach · 03/10/2021 08:56

Do not give on to the emotional blackmail. I had exactly this with oldest D D,she was sacked from living in job. Her dad had tried to kill me,left with huge debts,in emergency accomodation on benefits,she's borrowing money I haven't got. She had a sports car,in the end I gave her a week to find a job or I was throwing her out. She's saying I don't care about her,she LL end up on the streets,on drugs, prostituting herself. She was 20,I had enough on my plate,already,2 young boys to consider. She didn't speak to me for a year. Did a similar thing with her a few years later. Took her years to sort herself out,but she did.

Muchmorethan · 03/10/2021 09:00

What happened to the bike that you gave him £300 for?

DS1 has just turned 18yrs. He has Aspergers and so is very.... difficult....at times.

He struggles to make a decision when there are too many options and so when he's making decisions l try and narrow down the options.

In your sons case, I'd be giving him the option of Tent or his Dad's. Once he's made that choice I'd move onto the next issue of a job.

The biggest issue my son has is that due to his ASD he can't see anyone else's point of view/opinion. Therefore nothing is ever his fault. We all learn by our mistakes...but if you think you never make any then those mistakes are repeated over and over.

QueeniesCroft · 03/10/2021 09:03

Well, just giving him money hasn't helped so far, so obviously don't do that. Perhaps try to persuade him to stay with his dad for a short time, to give you space to think.

What support services are available in your area for people with his diagnosis? I think you probably need to get professional advice (or ideally, get him to admit that he just isn't coping and accessing whatever help is available for himself).

I'm sorry that you are having to deal with this, it sounds very difficult. Speaking to charities sounds like a good idea, they are sure to have advice based on long experience. I think that the worst possible thing here would be to "punish" him, but some space and thinking time is needed in order to form a plan and prevent this from developing into more of a battle than it needs to be, and the drama escalating.

spotcheck · 03/10/2021 09:05

I think some of your advice has been detrimental.
Pushed him to move across the country when he clearly wasn't ready for such a big step?
What on earth were you thinking?

And surely you can change a lightbulb?

Your overall tone is that you don't seem to like him much. It comes across that you've been trying to get rid of him.

Littlefish · 03/10/2021 09:06

I think the fact that he has a diagnosis of Aspergers changes a lot.

There is no such thing as 'mild' or 'high functioning' autism. He is autistic.

He is obviously not high functioning when it comes to the practicalities of life, his relationships or finance.

It sounds to me like he needs professional support, and a different approach from you and his dad.

My nearly 17 year old daughter has a diagnosis of ADHD, but, if she were assessed for Autism, is highly likely to be diagnosed with that too.

As such, her development and maturity is about 30% delayed. I fully expect to be more involved in supporting her for several years longer than those parents with neurotypical children.

I think you need to have a re-think about all of this, and have a conversation with an autism support group about the full situation.

He is not coping at all.

Theluggage15 · 03/10/2021 09:06

4K is a big deposit and like PP says you will have to be guarantor, no way he’ll pass the reference checks, so you’ll probably end up paying his rent as well. What’s the girlfriend doing now?

I think he’ll have to stay at his dad’s for a bit and try and make a proper plan for his life otherwise you’re going to be bailing him out forever. The Aspergers does add another angle to the situation though and I would definitely want to know what he’s been spending his money on. Maybe drugs are an issue here.

Muchmorethan · 03/10/2021 09:06

Ds1 also can't visualise future plans.

He wants his own place eventually. So l explained he'd need a job to pay for it. Even though he's an intelligent lad, this was a complete revelation to him!

My son is a visual learner and so we wrote down his "life plan" and what needed to be done to get there. With this, start at the end goal of his and GF living together and work backwards on how that goal will be achieved

Littlefish · 03/10/2021 09:07

I also suggest that you post in the special needs part of Mumsnet.

MakingM · 03/10/2021 09:12

@spotcheck

I think some of your advice has been detrimental. Pushed him to move across the country when he clearly wasn't ready for such a big step? What on earth were you thinking?

And surely you can change a lightbulb?

Your overall tone is that you don't seem to like him much. It comes across that you've been trying to get rid of him.

That’s harsh. OP has clearly been trying to help her son and most of us have, at one time or another, advised our children to do something that didn’t work out as well as intended.

Seriously, MN is seriously toxic at times.

safariboot · 03/10/2021 09:13

He burnt his bridges, he can rebuild them. The disarrayed life and money trouble I could forgive but the obscene and entitled attitude is unacceptable.

TheWholeWorld · 03/10/2021 09:15

I think you've had a bit of a rough ride here OP. You've helped him with the best of intentions and with a DS who was a bit more self reliant it might have worked out fine.

And I think you've realised relatively quickly this approach isn't working - I've seen a few PPs post about dependent brothers/brothers in law who still rely on parents into middle age.

I agree that you shouldn't give him the deposit money. He might have a gf but he doesn't have a job, so how is he planning on paying rent? I think the suggestion of dad's is a good one, he needs a bit more direction and supervision. Good luck with it all.

MakingM · 03/10/2021 09:20

The Aspergers element does explain some things but it doesn’t explain why he thinks it’s a good positive choice to live in a tent and more critically - he will have always had aspergers and his behaviour has changed.

  • he is demanding large sums of money
  • he has received large sums of money and spent them on something other than accommodation
  • he, and crucially someone he’s close to - his girlfriend, have both failed at university. Something fairly catastrophic has to happen for that to happen nowadays.
  • he is being aggressive and manipulative in order to gain more money
  • he has clearly had contact with someone whose has led him to believe it’s ok, even desirable, to live in a tent.

I suspect if you tell him you will organise accommodation, but not give him cash, he may become quite abusive.

Have you been for a visit to the place? I think it’s probably time for you and Dad to go and scout out what’s happening on the ground.

Tilltheend99 · 03/10/2021 09:21

This all sounds exhausting and you have my sympathy op Flowers

I think you need to accept that your son is not cut out for University. Not everyone is and that’s fine. Don’t waste anymore money on this.

He can and should get a job and sort his day to day living arrangements and admin out himself.

It sounds like you acting like a financial security net is only encouraging his lack of self sufficiency. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t continue to offer emotional support.

In most cases this would not happen with a daughter as society tended to be expected to ‘leave the protection of the father to take over the running of their husbands household.’ Conversely, in modern terms, this means young women are usually better prepared to live independently and Uni or otherwise whereas sons tend to remain coddled and idolised by their mothers. (I’m talking in generalisations and am aware that this is not always the case)

If you actually want this behaviour to stop and for him to make his own way in life now is the time to STOP pandering to his every whim.

I am speaking as someone with two adult male relatives exactly the same. One had a DS late in life which changed him to an extent but the other is in mid thirties still waking DP up to get in drink when has a key and getting his meals made and laundry done even though DP is now a pensioner.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 03/10/2021 09:22

A stint on a plantation? WTF?

I'd be saying No Fucking Way just on the basis of making such a racist comment.

ASD or not, he's being abusive. Probably why his girlfriend hightailed it back to her parents. And why he is not safe to come back where he has bullied the younger children, been aggressive towards his father and generally been a manipulative dick towards you.

lemondrops99 · 03/10/2021 09:22

@namechangeuser4859304

Yup, I've suggested he looked at live-in jobs near his gf - there are a lot of fruit picking farms there with caravans and jobs galore. He asked me if I was making a stint on the plantation a condition of giving him the deposit. I also suggested looking at rooms in shared houses, but apparently they need a flat of their own and are fed up of sharing.

Thing is, his Dad's isnt actually a great option. He lives rurally, neither of them drive and public transport is sparce. His attitude last time he came up was vile, to the point where I dont want him living here. While his Dad has offered and means it sincerely, whether he could actually handle him living there if he behaved the same way, I'm not sure.

I think he might well end up in that tent out of stubborness/spite/stupidity, but I do worry both about his safety and also that there is other stuff going on. While he can be a PITA at times, it is unusual for him to be such a consistant PITA over every. single. little. thing. Manufacturing rows non-stop etc.

Didn't occur to me until I read this post, but the change in character, unwillingness to return home (would rather be in a tent), disappearing money, and failed uni course does point to a drug problem perhaps. I hope it's not the case but there's some big red flags there.

You shouldn't be giving him any more money, but neither should he be living in a tent. His only options should be coming to live with you or Dad however inconvenient for him.

There needs to be tough love but the consequences of living in a tent (homelessness essentially) could be dire, especially if there is already a drug problem.

I think at this point I would be forceably collecting him.

I have witnessed this almost exact sequence of events with 3/4 old friends from school and it was always drugs.

Hillary17 · 03/10/2021 09:23

Woooah. I wouldn’t give him a penny more. Sorry but this man needs some tough love and go learn how to support himself.

GrandmasCat · 03/10/2021 09:30

He is only aching like that because you are enabling it. Look at this in black and white, you try to help him, he throws a tantrum and you post him another another £1000 or far more than that.

People mature when they have to deal with the consequences of their actions or lack off, you are making him a huge disservice by bailing him out repeatedly. The help should have stopped the moment he stopped studying.

AvocadoPlant · 03/10/2021 09:31

As previously posted, deposit is capped st 5 weeks rent, then you (generally) pay just 1 months rent in advance to cover the first month.

Any reputable letting agency will insist on the tenants (your son and his gf) being referenced. This includes their income. So they would fail the referencing.
The only way round this is to offer to pay 3-6 months rent in advance and have a guarantor who is legally obliged to step in and pay the rent in the case of default
I hope you can see where this is heading @namechangeuser4859304 …..

At the moment it sounds like a steady routine would help your son’s mental health. So I would be inclined to say yes, 3 months in the gulag ie fruit/veg picking is exactly what he needs. Then if he can prove himself by sticking to it (and I would want to see proof such as his bank statements), then sit down and discuss longer term plans including help (not fully covering) with initial housing costs.
That’s the incentive, but it has to be earned.

RedMarauder · 03/10/2021 09:34

@lemondrops99 the OP can't have him due to the risk he presents to his younger siblings with his behaviour.

So it means he has to go to stay with his Dad even if it is just for a few months until he works out a plan for his life going forward and starts putting that plan in action.

EmeraldShamrock · 03/10/2021 09:34

Just seen your Aspbergers update. Bit of a drip feed OP.
This changed things from the OP.
I was thinking it when reading it his lack of organisational skills and pressure.
OP I wouldn't give him money but he isn't capable of living independently without an adults help with decisions makings.
He wasn't able to wash clothes when he first arrived he was bound to become overwhelmed with the other stuff.
That's the reason some asperger's qualify for DLA and the parents qualify for carers allowance.
Did he have a carer up to 16?
I'd insist he come home and go to the local college or somewhere with residents accommodation specifically for his needs.

GrandmasCat · 03/10/2021 09:34

Yep, I also thought he was chancing it with £4000 deposit, unless they are very rich and he is getting a luxury flat to keep within “the standards”.

Eralos · 03/10/2021 09:37

He’s being really unfair. I’m not sure bailing him out will help him in the long term.

SunShinesBrightly · 03/10/2021 09:38

Many parents enable their grown up DC’s poor behaviour, allow themselves to be manipulated and justify poor life choices because of fear.

You need to be be brave and say no,
I will help you to make sense of the mess you are in and make plans but I will not finance your current erratic lifestyle.

EmeraldShamrock · 03/10/2021 09:41

the OP can't have him due to the risk he presents to his younger siblings with his behaviour.
Why is he living far away if his behaviour is potentially risky to others in the first place?
He needs to be in Dads.
He isn't capable of independent living yet.

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