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Not to help young adult son with rent deposit

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namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 04:15

Have namechanged as embarrassed about this situation.

Eldest son didnt get in to his preferred course at chosen university, I encouraged him to take up the same course at the opposite end of the country., I thought that student life might make him more self-reliant with the support system of halls around him. Before he left, I realised that I had made a terrible mistake in this encouragement and that he simply wasn;t self-sufficient enough as I prodded and prodded him to deal with the paperwork, but he was excited and I didnt want to be the bad guy.

Despite my misgivings, things seemed to go well, he seemed happy, was attending lectures, learned how to wash clothes and all seemed good. Because his paperwork was late, he didnt get his grant, but I had spoken to the halls and they were understanding as they could see the paperwork was in. The first Christmas home (2019), he had a massive row with his younger brother, much drama, but left with it all resolved and everyone friends again.

He went back, his grant came in and he assured us that he had paid his (catered) halls, which left him with spending money for the rest of the year. Then he got covid, by the time he recovered, the University had moved to online teaching only, he couldnt/didnt get access and the rest of that year was basically a write off, he did no work and failed everything. . I spoke to him about moving to a university up here and starting again and he seemed to be considering it. He did by now have a girlfriend, and they had spent most of lockdown together.

They both came up at Summer, and she was quiet, but lovely. I spoke to him again about coming up to restart university and he told me that his gf had also failed, was retaking the year and he wanted to be with her. I suggested that he went back but took a year out, earned some cash, and had a think about what he wanted to do the following year.

They rented a room in a shared house, with him unofficially staying but not on the tenancy. When he came up at Xmas (2020), not only had he not been working it seemed this housing arrangement had blown up, and he could no longer stay there, that he had not paid any hall fees the previous year, and was horrifically overdrawn. He asked for a £600 deposit for a room and £300 for a bike to do deliveroo. I had a bit of a "come to jesus" talk with him where I repeated over and over that the solution was to get a job, any job, as soon as possible and start digging his way out of this mess, but you know it was a shit year and I was willing to give him some leaway and cycling is healthy , so I gave him £1k

A month after this, one of the sharers wanted to move out, and he had the opportunity to rent a room, so he moved back in, I let him keep the deposit money. He seemed to be doing deliveroo piecemeal, scraping rent every month, and was struggling even with his Dad sending him £50-100pcm, and me sending him in the region of £2k over this 6 month period Telephone contact was sparce, but the course his girlfriend was doing was being shut by the university, she was likely to fail again and he was trying to persuade her to come up here with him, they would both live here, go back to college then on to university. This seemed like a plan!

In August he phoned me and asked if I would buy him a ticket up to visit, I knew he was skint so I agreed. What followed was just a whirlwind. The mess, the rudeness, the entitlement, the swaggering about - his sister had borrowed his headphones that he had left here and lost them. I offered to replace them but it turned into an enormous drama with him demanding far far more than I believe they cost. He basically ruined his brother's birthday to the point where I was in tears in the kitchen, he had an enormous row with his Dad who had had the baliffs for his hall fees debt at his door, which almost turned physical. I am wfh, yet he was crashing about at all hours of the day and night, wandering in and talking to me while I was on meetings, continually demanding my time and attention over trivia, yet in the month he stayed here he was unable to change a lightbulb I repeatedly asked him to (high ceilings, he's tall, I cant safely reach). So much of it was trivia,... but there was so much of it. He announced that he would not be coming back, his gf was moving in with her parents, he would get a flat nearby and she would move in. The main feeling that most of us had when he left was relief but skepticism that his flat plan would work out.

Then radio silence for a month...until friday. I got a call from him saying that he had been staying in hotels but had run out of money and was now going to live in a tent while his council house application came through. I explained that this really wasnt how council housing worked and that as a single man he was at the very bottom of the priority list. He then sent me a link to a private flat he had been looking at, but - and with a very very long sob story about why - could not afford (any of) the deposit. I said I would take a look. I spoke to him a few hours later where he seemed to think that I had agreed to transfer him £4k(!) for this deposit, I made it clear that I had done no such thing.

I gave it careful thought last night. I am not well disposed to him after his recent antics, but he is clearly in a mess. I cannot have him staying here, I simply do not have time for the petty arguments, mess, interruptions and rudeness. His dad has offered to put him up short-term on condition that he buck his ideas up. I wrote to him this morning offering a "three figure sum" for him to use as he pleases, but that I strongly recommended that he took up his dad's offer, and used the money to return. What I got back was a torrent of messages calling me "financially negligent", "a twisted sociopath", that I blame him for things going wrong in my life and that "everyone" has said that it is bad for his mental health to speak to me, and that I am never to call him again.

I am now quite seriously worried, but even less inclined to transfer him any money. AIBU/WWYD?

(oh lordy, this is long, congrats if you made it to the end)

OP posts:
PlanDeRaccordement · 03/10/2021 10:10

@ChocolateFace

To all the posters suggesting drugs, I think you're way off the mark. This is someone on the autistic spectrum trying to make their way in the world, and calling out for help, but in really inappropriate ways.
I agree @ChocolateFace

Everything mentioned is spot on ASD behaviour and reactions.

RosiePosieDozy · 03/10/2021 10:14

This sounds so tough for you. You can't keep giving him your money to fritter away. Stop giving him any more money for now.

I think you need to suggest he seeks mental health support.

hamilfanz · 03/10/2021 10:17

The fact he is autistic is relevant. His behaviour isn't excusable but maybe it can be explained. His outbursts could be the equivalent of a meltdown. He is probably very stressed and anxious. Maybe at the point of autistic burnout. At which point little things like headphones going missing can be triggering.

I think you said he believed you were going to give him £4K and maybe because he isn't great at reading cues he did believe that and was pissed off to find out he wasn't then getting it. It is not ok to speak to someone the way he did but he sounds like he is in crisis.

Sometimes people with ASD/ADHD need more support for longer. So the support you would offer an 18 year old ND child might be more akin to what you would offer a 13 year.

People with ASD can find living in a shared house very stressful- too much noise, constant potential to have to have social interactions which can be confusing and stressful, pressure to mask and seem NT 24/7. So yes he might be entitled not wanting a house share but it is also his way of saying I can't cope in a house share.

Not sure what you do but I would maybe offer 2-3 options of support. I would reaffirm you love him but not his behaviour. I think a job might be beyond him at this point if he is in autistic burnout- he might need some time to regroup. Maybe see if there is autism charity who can offer advice.

hamilfanz · 03/10/2021 10:21

Sorry loads of typos

Blerg · 03/10/2021 10:23

I feel for you OP, you are clearly trying your best and concerned for him.

I only have younger children, so no experience of this sort of thing, but it makes sense that he needs to be supported (by you or maybe a debt advice agency) to look at all the funds he’s received and try to track where they went. I remember feeling pretty terrible with money when I first left home, and tracking it can help him and you see whether it was just lots of taxis / takeaways or something more concerning as some posters have mentioned.

He might benefit from seeing it all written down. But I guess it depends on having bank statements to hand. And if he is ready to be helped. He does sound very defensive, which means he might not be ready to hear it.

laudete · 03/10/2021 10:25

Eldest son didnt get in to his preferred course at chosen university, I encouraged him to take up the same course at the opposite end of the country., I thought that student life might make him more self-reliant with the support system of halls around him. Before he left, I realised that I had made a terrible mistake in this encouragement and that he simply wasn;t self-sufficient enough as I prodded and prodded him to deal with the paperwork, but he was excited and I didnt want to be the bad guy.

This was the initial mistake, in the chain of events. You can't go back in time so you need to forgive yourself for it.

Then, you need to accept that money won't cure ASD. He will always have ASD. If he is willing to live with dad for a while, that is a good plan. Being in a stable, reliable, familiar home environment - whether that's with mom or dad - should help alleviate some of his obvious distress. When he resumes masking his symptoms, don't fool yourself into thinking he is "normal" again. He'll just be coping again. And, when he is coping with everyday life, you can help him re-plan for his future. x

lemondrops99 · 03/10/2021 10:26

@ChocolateFace

To all the posters suggesting drugs, I think you're way off the mark. This is someone on the autistic spectrum trying to make their way in the world, and calling out for help, but in really inappropriate ways.
You may be right, but they're also not mutually exclusive. It could be both.

I would include drugs as an inappropriate way of calling for help.

TheUnbearable · 03/10/2021 10:27

Was his Aspergers diagnosis declared to the University? If so he should have had an appointment with student support services. If the University was decent and he declared then all depts are informed. Stuff such as housing preference, extended essay deadlines etc are a matter of course then.

Young people homeless hostels are a place to avoid. If he is vulnerable which regardless of his behaviour he probably is he will probably be preyed on. A lot of the kids in those hostels have had upbringings that are a million miles away from anything resembling normal. You can feel sorry for them and some of their behaviour is down to their vulnerability but that behaviour is because we can never say what we actually know is extremely challenging.

pelosi · 03/10/2021 10:29

OP says his Aspergers’ is mild and he is high functioning.

I would not have him back home.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 03/10/2021 10:34

@namechangeuser4859304 I'd have a deep think about his teenage years before making any decisions re support, though I wouldn't be advancing 4,000 either way. I'm wondering if you unknowingly did a lot of scaffolding for him. If you're not familiar with the term it's all the fairly invisible support and adjustments that go on behind the scenes that can allow an Autistic child to seem like they are coping really well, but if that support is withdraw things will literally fall apart. It's also not unusual for Autistic teens who are so called 'high functioning', to find the transition from school to uni or work and massive increased independence overwhelming. The important point here would be is he capable of coping in this situation or not? It's not necessarily the same for a neurotypical teen where this behaviour would be a big red flag for them being entitled and needing to grow up, the hard way if necessary. Whereas here the case may be that the absence of scaffolding and support meant he was literally unable to cope and he's flailing and in desperate need of support not tough love. That still wouldn't be giving him what he's asking for and I don't know what the right support would be, but if that's the case you'd probably be better off posting in the SN section where parents would have more experience of supporting an Autistic young adult child.

PlanDeRaccordement · 03/10/2021 10:45

@pelosi

OP says his Aspergers’ is mild and he is high functioning.

I would not have him back home.

No such thing as “mild” Aspergers and “high functioning” has been binned as well because it only describes academic ability, not social/work/life ability.
middleeasternpromise · 03/10/2021 10:51

I think I would take the three figure sum and offer to fund some family therapy sessions which you will also join, to try to understand why he thinks you have blamed him for things going wrong in your life, how the description of a twisted sociopath fits what has/is happening between you and what do his friends notice about his mental health that lead them to advise him to stop having contact with his mother?

I am guessing he is your eldest? It is possible the moving out and into independence has contributed to his review of his earlier life and his construction of a story that you don't recognize, about his place in the family. Hopefully engaging in some professional support might enable you both to draw some new boundaries, he is going to need you in his life but not in a disrespectful way that is destructive to his relationship with his family.

Mumofsend · 03/10/2021 10:52

@pelosi there is no such thing as mild autism or high functioning. It's just an outdated perception used to deny autistic individuals the support necessary. You can be high functioning in one respect (academics) but not another (day to day life) but that high functioning label denies those with substantial difficulties functioning in normal life the support they need

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 03/10/2021 10:52

@pelosi

OP says his Aspergers’ is mild and he is high functioning.

I would not have him back home.

All that means is that in the set of life circumstances and with the supports and scaffolding he had untill leaving for university he was managing well or at least appeared to be doing so. That doesn't automatically mean he will continue to cope well, once the environment and supports change you can't extrapolate past 'high functioning' to mean future 'high functioning'.

OP it sounds like theres some good advice right here on this thread. He is Autistic, that needs to be considered in any plans on how to best help him moving forward. I voted YANBU because that's how I would handle a young adult who was neurotypical and didn't have any MH issues, but he's not neurotypical and that needs to be taken into consideration.

fucketyfuckwit · 03/10/2021 10:56

My feeling is that he needs a lot of support to get into a job with some kind of future. Even is it something like working in a supermarket.

I think he needs structure to be able to sustain a normal adult life. It's hard for anyone to go from home/school to work/adult life.

Especially with an Aspergers diagnosis.

Can you work with him to get a decent job, maybe speak to careers advisors. If he can get into Uni then he's clearly clever enough to be employed.

waterrat · 03/10/2021 11:10

My brother has aspergers and has also struggled in very similar ways but the difference is he is not rude to other people when in thr midst of crisis.

I think you and your ex and son need to convene a meeting where everything is discussed. You need to point out that he is making poor choices and for example does not get to demand a deposit when he is not prepared to share a house with others . The majority of people in their 20s live in house shares and ge is being spoilt and entitled.

You need to explain that unless he has a job it would be foolish to pay the deposit.

I do think he may need more help than he is getting with the aspergers

CarrotSticks23 · 03/10/2021 11:14

He is autistic. That is extremely relevant, he might be 'high functioning' but he clearly is not functioning right now.

I don't think he needs tough love I think he needs help and some proper support. I think he needs to come home, whether that be yours or his dad's. I would scrap finding a job for now and just give him some recovery time. A couple of months to get back into a stable routine, and then help him get a job that he can manage and help him learn to manage his own money. He may always need more help in this area, he is autistic. He may never be able to properly manage his own money or function as a NT person does. I think it would be a good idea to post in the SN boards as there will be people there who will know if there's any support he maybe entitled to or how he can access proper professional support for autistic adults.

You are acting like he is a NT 30 year old man rather than an autistic young person barely out their teens. Why did you send an autistic teenager to the other side of the country when you knew he hadn't filled out his grant paperwork? Then you sent him back with no job or university support. You are expecting him to do things that a lot of autistic people really struggle with, then it's going wrong and his life is just becoming more and more chaotic, which he cannot cope with. He's being expected to sort it out himself which is probably very overwhelming.

DFOD · 03/10/2021 11:15

What do you know about his relationship with the GF? Any chance it’s overwhelming / controlling or dysfunctional?

SirGawain · 03/10/2021 11:16

2019/20 was a shit year to go to uni and yes, I have probably been subsidising him to an unhelpful extent, but his general twattishness and entitlement seems to be escalating.
I was most certainly a shit year but most students got off their backsides and got on with it. Years ago I helped out a relative who got into financial difficulties due to his mental health. I made it clear that the help was conditional on him working with the professionals advising him and getting his life together.
He did and I have to say that I’m proud of him for coming back from his dire situation. Your DS on the other hand will continue to manipulate you all and without being forced to will make no effort.

CarrotSticks23 · 03/10/2021 11:22

Tbh I think reading your post you've given him less support than a NT 18-19 Yr old would need let alone an autistic one

You are just repeatedly bailing him out without helping deal with the underlying reason he needs bailing out. Why did you only find out at Christmas he didn't have a job? The whole thing is just quite bizarre, I remember my friends parents calling the campus security because they hadn't heard from her in 3 days. And you didn't know he didn't have a job for 3 months?

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 03/10/2021 11:24

I have a niece who's behaved like this with her parents bailing her out every time. She's now 30 and is just as bad, worse in fact because she has a well paid job, squanders all her money and still gets out the begging bowl. Tough love is needed but I can see your dilemma with the 'living in a tent' threat.

MzHz · 03/10/2021 11:28

You have tried. Really tried

His behaviour while you were trying to WFH was appalling and that’s that is the tip of the iceberg

LET HIM GO TO HIS DADS

You’ve covered for and protected him for long enough, if he causes a row with his dad, then that removes the bs that he’s spouting that it’s you being difficult

QueenOfCatan · 03/10/2021 11:34

"Yup, I've suggested he looked at live-in jobs near his gf - there are a lot of fruit picking farms there with caravans and jobs galore. He asked me if I was making a stint on the plantation a condition of giving him the deposit. I also suggested looking at rooms in shared houses, but apparently they need a flat of their own and are fed up of sharing."

This alone would make me lose all sympathy for him, live in jobs are actually pretty easy to come by if you aren't picky about location, especially in hospitality at the moment. I spent years doing those and then moved into shared housing for years. Did I want to? No. But if you don't have a bloody choice you suck it up and share with other people or you graciously accept the offer of a roof over your head whilst you sort yourself out. Many many people are in this situation at the moment.

User112 · 03/10/2021 11:42

Flat with a 4K deposit? Is that some luxury man pad in central london??

Why does he need a flat ?? Which landlord is willing to rent it to him with no income??

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 03/10/2021 11:45

Im not clear if he is in his second year at uni or not?
if he is, his maintenance loan will only cover his accomodation and probably not all of that.. so he's either got to get a job or support.
It sounds like he hasn't managed his money well and things have got out of control and now he's in a hole he can't dig himself out of. He must be very upset and so is reacting badly.
If still at uni he could go to student services for advice.
If he's not at uni, then he's unemployed and should be claiming for that whilst he sorts himself out and finds work. He should't have to live in a tent.
Its not an easy time for his age group.
The problem seems to be that the two of you are not able to communicate because he's easily rubbed up the wrong way and so you don't have enough access to the facts to help him.
He thinks the answer is more money but without seeing that he's understood how to manage it, its difficult to keep funding. Its not a quick fix and he needs to make a plan, but its not easy to solve this overnight.
That age group can easily feel "lectured" and this might be part of the problem, as it is preventing you both from getting to the heart of the matter. It sounds very difficult and I understand how angry it must make you but ultimately if he can't communicate with you long enough to do the practical work of making a plan to sort this out, using real facts, then he needs to get that help elsewhere like Citizen's advice or a debt advice service. Maybe CAB could help you find such organisations in the town where he is living so you could point him in the right direction.

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