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Not to help young adult son with rent deposit

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namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 04:15

Have namechanged as embarrassed about this situation.

Eldest son didnt get in to his preferred course at chosen university, I encouraged him to take up the same course at the opposite end of the country., I thought that student life might make him more self-reliant with the support system of halls around him. Before he left, I realised that I had made a terrible mistake in this encouragement and that he simply wasn;t self-sufficient enough as I prodded and prodded him to deal with the paperwork, but he was excited and I didnt want to be the bad guy.

Despite my misgivings, things seemed to go well, he seemed happy, was attending lectures, learned how to wash clothes and all seemed good. Because his paperwork was late, he didnt get his grant, but I had spoken to the halls and they were understanding as they could see the paperwork was in. The first Christmas home (2019), he had a massive row with his younger brother, much drama, but left with it all resolved and everyone friends again.

He went back, his grant came in and he assured us that he had paid his (catered) halls, which left him with spending money for the rest of the year. Then he got covid, by the time he recovered, the University had moved to online teaching only, he couldnt/didnt get access and the rest of that year was basically a write off, he did no work and failed everything. . I spoke to him about moving to a university up here and starting again and he seemed to be considering it. He did by now have a girlfriend, and they had spent most of lockdown together.

They both came up at Summer, and she was quiet, but lovely. I spoke to him again about coming up to restart university and he told me that his gf had also failed, was retaking the year and he wanted to be with her. I suggested that he went back but took a year out, earned some cash, and had a think about what he wanted to do the following year.

They rented a room in a shared house, with him unofficially staying but not on the tenancy. When he came up at Xmas (2020), not only had he not been working it seemed this housing arrangement had blown up, and he could no longer stay there, that he had not paid any hall fees the previous year, and was horrifically overdrawn. He asked for a £600 deposit for a room and £300 for a bike to do deliveroo. I had a bit of a "come to jesus" talk with him where I repeated over and over that the solution was to get a job, any job, as soon as possible and start digging his way out of this mess, but you know it was a shit year and I was willing to give him some leaway and cycling is healthy , so I gave him £1k

A month after this, one of the sharers wanted to move out, and he had the opportunity to rent a room, so he moved back in, I let him keep the deposit money. He seemed to be doing deliveroo piecemeal, scraping rent every month, and was struggling even with his Dad sending him £50-100pcm, and me sending him in the region of £2k over this 6 month period Telephone contact was sparce, but the course his girlfriend was doing was being shut by the university, she was likely to fail again and he was trying to persuade her to come up here with him, they would both live here, go back to college then on to university. This seemed like a plan!

In August he phoned me and asked if I would buy him a ticket up to visit, I knew he was skint so I agreed. What followed was just a whirlwind. The mess, the rudeness, the entitlement, the swaggering about - his sister had borrowed his headphones that he had left here and lost them. I offered to replace them but it turned into an enormous drama with him demanding far far more than I believe they cost. He basically ruined his brother's birthday to the point where I was in tears in the kitchen, he had an enormous row with his Dad who had had the baliffs for his hall fees debt at his door, which almost turned physical. I am wfh, yet he was crashing about at all hours of the day and night, wandering in and talking to me while I was on meetings, continually demanding my time and attention over trivia, yet in the month he stayed here he was unable to change a lightbulb I repeatedly asked him to (high ceilings, he's tall, I cant safely reach). So much of it was trivia,... but there was so much of it. He announced that he would not be coming back, his gf was moving in with her parents, he would get a flat nearby and she would move in. The main feeling that most of us had when he left was relief but skepticism that his flat plan would work out.

Then radio silence for a month...until friday. I got a call from him saying that he had been staying in hotels but had run out of money and was now going to live in a tent while his council house application came through. I explained that this really wasnt how council housing worked and that as a single man he was at the very bottom of the priority list. He then sent me a link to a private flat he had been looking at, but - and with a very very long sob story about why - could not afford (any of) the deposit. I said I would take a look. I spoke to him a few hours later where he seemed to think that I had agreed to transfer him £4k(!) for this deposit, I made it clear that I had done no such thing.

I gave it careful thought last night. I am not well disposed to him after his recent antics, but he is clearly in a mess. I cannot have him staying here, I simply do not have time for the petty arguments, mess, interruptions and rudeness. His dad has offered to put him up short-term on condition that he buck his ideas up. I wrote to him this morning offering a "three figure sum" for him to use as he pleases, but that I strongly recommended that he took up his dad's offer, and used the money to return. What I got back was a torrent of messages calling me "financially negligent", "a twisted sociopath", that I blame him for things going wrong in my life and that "everyone" has said that it is bad for his mental health to speak to me, and that I am never to call him again.

I am now quite seriously worried, but even less inclined to transfer him any money. AIBU/WWYD?

(oh lordy, this is long, congrats if you made it to the end)

OP posts:
Fubitch · 03/10/2021 06:17

See what his dad can do with him. Don't give him any more money. He needs a job.

WTF475878237NC · 03/10/2021 06:21

I disagree that he's high functioning. He may not have any intellectual impairment linked to his diagnosis, but he is not able to function well at the moment. He needs some structure and support with life skills and his autism diagnosis is likely to be very relevant here.

namechangeuser4859304 · 03/10/2021 06:23

@Catflapkitkat

So you have 100% take up on your don't give him the money/tough love option and your update is making excuses for him - his Dad is rural and he doesn't drive, his Dad isn't an option because he can't handle him, it's unusual for him to be such a consistent PITA. STOP OP.

Your son can walk, ride a (second hand) bike, cadge a lift into town. A job means he could save up for driving lessons. His Dad has already said he can stay if he bucks his ideas up - your son's stay at his Fathers is dependent on HIS behaviour changing, not if his Father can cope with it. To say that his behaviour is usually not that bad yet you have given us a shopping list of his selfish, arrogant and manipulative behaviour going back to 2019.

I'm not making excuses for him, so much as giving it context.

2019/20 was a shit year to go to uni and yes, I have probably been subsidising him to an unhelpful extent, but his general twattishness and entitlement seems to be escalating.

His uni town, his girlfriend's town and my city are all much better places to find a job than his Dads, and while his Dad has genuinely offered to put him up, he is really quite angry at the situation esp when his problems (literally) landed on his doorstep and even more so over this 4k, so I have a feeling that unless he was walking on eggshells around his Dad, a row is brewing.

Only it seems he;s more likely to start splattering eggs around than walking on their shells, which leads on to the next problem of when he runs out of road there.

OP posts:
SplunkPostGres · 03/10/2021 06:28

I thought he sounded very mentally unwell from the series of events. Then I saw he’s diagnosed with Aspergers. Sounds like he needs professional support at this time.

Whentheydontmeanwhattheysay · 03/10/2021 06:33

@MrsLargeEmbodied

a diagnosis is surely neither here nor there?

let him carry on sharing and stop being so bloody demanding

A diagnosis explains a lot actually. As I was reading I could relate to it totally as DS has ASD. Chaotic, unable to manage, struggling with paperwork, poor money management -it’s all quite typical. I have a huge fear that DS will end up in dept & in a tent/homeless later in life. Life is a struggle for many people with ASD.

Some people with Asperger syndrome say the world feels overwhelming and this can cause them considerable anxiety. In particular, understanding and relating to other people, and taking part in everyday family, school, work and social life, can be harder
www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/what-is-autism/asperger-syndrome

MrsLargeEmbodied · 03/10/2021 06:35

is he still at uni?

he should get help from student welfare, particularly if he has a diagnosis of aspergers.

chocolatethunder · 03/10/2021 06:36

You need to stop paying for his life so that he can struggle and grow up. The money you send him will be blown an the housing situation won't change.
Iv been here in different but similar circumstances. My son now has a flat with a friend and their doing very well, good job, all bills payed, paying debt off an he has money spare to get his clothes etc. We helped way to much but then we said enough was enough. It wasn't nice to see him struggle but it needed to be done as is helping was making it worse....

MrsLargeEmbodied · 03/10/2021 06:37

then a deposit for a flat would be out of the question.
i am saying that the diagnosis does not solve the op's problem

MrsLargeEmbodied · 03/10/2021 06:38

he needs to find his own way out of the mess

Spiindoctor · 03/10/2021 06:38

He needs to stay at his Dad's to work out what he wants to do - can he apply for something , anything which will lead to a qualification of some sort. Even McDs have management training I think.
Long term he needs to be able to stand on his own feet - so as long as it is sensible and not just 'I want to live with my gf' and will lead to greater things I would support him. But for the sake of everyone else he can't live with you.
When he is with you he can see everyone else getting on with their lives, which might be making him so ridiculous.
I live in the countryside and though buses are v few there is one around 8 that gets people to the local town for work and one back about 5. Surely there is that.

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Bananarice · 03/10/2021 06:48

With his diagnosis, would helping him find a fruit picking job and a live accommodation that he could share with his girlfriend help?

Billybagpuss · 03/10/2021 06:50

The other thing you can do to help is buy what he needs, don’t give the cash. He needs a train ticket, buy it and send him the QR. Code. If you help out with deposit, send it directly to the landlord.

I hope he settles down soon. It’s time to be less available and to help with specific requests that involve time not money so you can still support just not bail him out.

Magicalwoodlands · 03/10/2021 06:51

I think the Aspergers does make a massive difference, actually.

I think that in some ways it can be harder to be ‘mildly’ affected by something - it doesn’t tend to mean someone is only slightly affected, it means in practice they tend to fall into that grey space between fully functioning adult and in need of additional support, where they don’t really fit into either category. Too high functioning to need support so everyone expects them to be a NT adult, but they are not, so that is that.

I honestly don’t know what I would do in this situation. I don’t think you’d be unreasonable not to give him the money, but I do think you and other posters might be misguided if you believe it will act as a lesson to him in some way.

RobinPenguins · 03/10/2021 06:52

He sounds exactly like my BIL. PIL are still enabling him and he’s now in his mid 30s. Similar trajectory to start, with failing uni and not paying hall fees etc. FIL just paid off his drug dealers.

Staryflight445 · 03/10/2021 06:56

It isn’t normal to ask your parents for 4K after everything you’ve already given him and to then blow up like this because you’ve said no.
Absolutely don’t give him anymore money, he needs a stern dose of reality.

rainbowstardrops · 03/10/2021 06:57

At some point, regardless of Aspergers or possible autism, he's got to stand on his own two feet because right now, it's far too easy to rely on you for handouts.
If he wants to be with his girlfriend but they're fed up living in a shared house then they need to work and get themselves in a position to be able to get out!
Would he be up for a three way discussion (or four with the girlfriend) with you and his dad to try to find out exactly what's going on right now and to come up with some sort of a plan moving forwards?

2catsandhappy · 03/10/2021 06:59

Slight angle here. What is his gf contributing to this flat they want? Why is ds(you) the only one to have to come up with deposit?
The rural dad's place, doesn't ds already have a bike to get about on?

ChocolateFace · 03/10/2021 06:59

I can so relate to this, although my DS goes silent, rather than starting a fight.

So much that you've posted is similar to my DS. At the moment he's living with Grandparents (the tent has been threatened!) I don't have any answers, I just wanted you to know you're not the only one with an young adult DS like this.

MintJulia · 03/10/2021 06:59

Don't give him any money. Pay the deposit on a room directly if you feel you must but don't give him money. Ignore the abuse, he's turning into an entitled brat who will clean you out if you let him.
Give up on college for now, he doesn't have the inclination to learn. Let him be skint for a while, it will force him to get a job.

Maggie178 · 03/10/2021 07:03

He's an adult now and his actions have led him to this point. You've helped him repeatedly and he doesn't appreciate it. He's dropped out of uni, got no job and has no where to live. The only thing you should buy him is his bus fare to his dad's.

Joystir59 · 03/10/2021 07:05

You bailing him out for years is the cause of his dependency on you. You should have stopped pedalling his canoe for him long long long ago, and then he might have developed some resilience and not be in the position he's in now.

Billandben444 · 03/10/2021 07:05

Do you want him to become a self-sufficient and responsible adult and do you think this is achievable? If so, what part might you play in this? Scrub uni, scrub constantly bailing him out and replace both with some support system that enables him to find a job (of sorts) and a home (of sorts). Forget the gf as she seems to have bailed and forget the past but carry forward the lessons you've learnt from his behaviour. Decide where you stand on this and then write/email him a very clear and concise list of what you will do to help him stand on his own two feet but also what he needs to agree to in return. Tell him what will happen if he doesn't accept your conditions (so be very careful that if this means a tough love approach that you will stay firm) and then leave the decision to him. Good luck.

pelosi · 03/10/2021 07:09

I read it all, and think it would be madness to give him money or let him move back in.

I have a brother like this, the more you give, the more he will demand.

Don’t do it, fir his own sake. At the moment he thinks mummy or daddy will always bail him out, he needs to realise that’s not an option.

alexdgr8 · 03/10/2021 07:10

but he was dishonest, in saying the hall rent had been paid when it was not, and leaving his father to bear the brunt of that.
is being dishonest a characteristic of aspergers ?
i didn't think so. seems excuses are being made for bad behaviour.
sounds like he just wants an easy ride.
why wouldn't he change the light-bulb. ?couldn't be bothered. wants to behave like a small child around you Op, and get you to run to fill his every need.
why didn't he wash his own clothes before going away to univ ?
why bother when presumably you will do it for him.
sorry, don't know what to suggest, except don't give him any more money.
if he chooses to waste his life, that's up to him. but don't let him drag the rest of you down with him.
you have my sympathy. but i think you need to stand back and let him make his own decisions and experience the inevitable consequences thereof.
good luck. to you, and him.

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