AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question - Thread 3

[Thewithesarehere]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:

“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

@sanluca

Sorry, rooty, but that is a nasty tactic. No one is cutting children out of a social life or sports, but you berate us as if we are, especially with the comment that they are someone's child too. It is specifically designed to make us feel ashamed and point fingers of being nast at us and it one of the most vile tactics used by transactivists. Among others are the 'are you scared of lesbians too', 'not wanting to share with transwomen is like white women not wanting to share toilets with black women' and one I see a lot lately: 'feminists object to transgender female athletes in womens sports'.

We don't object or have issues with lesbians or black women or boys taking part in social activities, we have issues with male human beings demanding access where they are not meant to be.

Even though in the case of the male child, I would strongly suspect the parent to be pushing for inclusion.

But they are someone's child. So then what?

I don't see what I said as any worse than the 'facts' given by others. I'm not berating or using tactics or an activist. I'm not in a box

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny/amp/

We've had alot of these too

@Whatsnewpussyhat

Transwoman being a biologically born male who transitions, physically or emotionally, into being a female

WTF. Emotionally female??? What does that even mean?
A male cannot become female.

Well if they haven't physically transitioned, what have they done?

I know full well what it feels like to think something has gone wrong

To think you are really a boy

To call yourself David , cut your hair and change your clothes

To hate your body and not have the nerve to carve it up

To not have people see you as you are because they are blinkered by your sex

And people like rootz miss the point spectacularly

3rd spaces are the fair option. Why wouldn't Trans people want to use them?

@Whatsnewpussyhat

Transwoman being a biologically born male who transitions, physically or emotionally, into being a female

WTF. Emotionally female??? What does that even mean?
A male cannot become female.

You got to the word ‘emotionally’? I got stuck at ‘physically’ and can’t move on.

I have no idea how a male-born body transitions into a female body.

Are we talking about human bodies or Lego building blocks?

@ScreamingBeans

Rooty what is a woman, please?

And how can you tell which transwomen are real transwomen and aren't faking and which are really men?

Is the plan for various posters to keep asking me th same questions while ignoring my previous responses until I give up? I've answered both of those several times.

@DialSquare

3rd spaces are the fair option. Why wouldn't Trans people want to use them?

Because they might not want to be in what is effectively the trans changing room?

But what if the woman and girls in a female space don't want a biological man in with them?

You have said that a woman is biology plus paperwork

Then you day that a man is a woman if they say so

Is that a Union of sets ? Either you are a woman because you have been told so or you are a woman because you say so

@midgedude

I know full well what it feels like to think something has gone wrong

To think you are really a boy

To call yourself David , cut your hair and change your clothes

To hate your body and not have the nerve to carve it up

To not have people see you as you are because they are blinkered by your sex

And people like rootz miss the point spectacularly

You posted a similar post on the last thread and I was really understanding and engaged well given your experience so let's not make out otherwise now.

Well if they haven't physically transitioned, what have they done?
For a start, over 90% trans women keep their penis.
Don’t ask this question on Twitter @RootyT00t
You will get death and rape threats and you haven’t got the power and resources that JK Rowling has.

@DialSquare

But what if the woman and girls in a female space don't want a biological man in with them?

Then we are back to square one. There is no way round this without one winning out.

@Thewithesarehere

Well if they haven't physically transitioned, what have they done? For a start, over 90% trans women keep their penis. Don’t ask this question on Twitter *@RootyT00t* You will get death and rape threats and you haven’t got the power and resources that JK Rowling has.

I wouldn't go near Twitter. Wel, other than for James Jordan.

You were not understanding
If you had any understanding you would not spout the same hurtful nonsense

@Whatwouldscullydo

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/4w.pub/the-rules-of-misogyny/amp/

We've had alot of these too

Not from me. Not one.

@midgedude

You were not understanding If you had any understanding you would not spout the same hurtful nonsense

What is hurtful in what I'm saying? Genuinely?

Because they might not want to be in what is effectively the trans changing room?
But what is wrong with having this validation and acceptance from the society, this acknowledgement and respect for which women fought for decades.
It should be the ultimate win, shouldn’t it?

@Thewithesarehere

Because they might not want to be in what is effectively the trans changing room? But what is wrong with having this validation and acceptance from the society, this acknowledgement and respect for which women fought for decades. It should be the ultimate win, shouldn’t it?

You've lost me there.

You are back to square one. Because you are only thinking of Trans people. The women and girls that have every right to that Male free space DO NOT MATTER. You couldn't make it any clearer.

Then we are back to square one.
There is no way round this without one winning out.
But it is not a war!
It’s only a war if you snatch someone else’s stuff and they declare war on you.
Women haven’t snatched transwomen spaces? Women haven’t fought her or keep transwomen from having their own spaces? It is the other way around actually.
How is this a war in any sense of the word?

It is hurtful to suggest that winnable means anything other than your sexual biology

It is hurtful to suggest that a woman is a man without a dick

It is hurtful to suggest that gender not sex should be the primary determinant for toilets and sports

@DialSquare

You are back to square one. Because you are only thinking of Trans people. The women and girls that have every right to that Male free space DO NOT MATTER. You couldn't make it any clearer.

Not true.

If I thought that , id say they should be allowed in and sod what you think.

In fact, im the only one who hasn't completely dismissed an entire group for women.

I think you've covered a few actually

Such as men are what they say they are and women are what men say are. So they are women if they say they are and women don't get to define what a woman is

Women are responsible for what men do ? ( Well u said they spiral out of control mentally if we don't let some males them i
the changing room)

You accused women of misandry r recognising male behaviour patterns...that's another right there

@Thewithesarehere

*Then we are back to square one. There is no way round this without one winning out.* But it is not a war! It’s only a war if you snatch someone else’s stuff and they declare war on you. Women haven’t snatched transwomen spaces? Women haven’t fought her or keep transwomen from having their own spaces? It is the other way around actually. How is this a war in any sense of the word?

Have I used the word war once?

People are making things up.

I just said it's hard to find a solution which doesn't mean that one group loses out. That's all. Fucking hell.