AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question - Thread 3

[Thewithesarehere]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:

“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

@NotBadConsidering

Of course they do. Anybody with real world experience with them know that they completely abolish any libido. Despite having plenty of boyfriend's throughout teenagehood, sd didn't loose her virgnity until several months after coming off pb, and even now I wouldn't call it the typical libido of someone in their early 20s.

Can children consent to their future libido being abolished?

It's not permanently abolished, just while on blockers. Sd started coming off them at 19.

It's not permanently abolished, just while on blockers. Sd started coming off them at 19.

It is for some, who were placed on puberty blockers earlier and for those who progress to gonadectomy. Can children consent to having a future libido either abolished, or diminished below expected levels? You said yourself (a phrase I’ve repeated many times on this thread) that your step child’s libido isn’t what you’d expect it to be.

Can a child consent to this?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I guess that was the whole premise of the Keira Bell case.

I think transmen have it worse because I have it on good authority that they can cause persistent dryness, then coming off them onto hormones causes the TMI clitrous to become painfully engorged. But again, I don't know much about the ins and outs of ftm transition.

Thread no 4 started.

@Langrycleg
Thread 4 doesn't appear to be there

"So you think that the thousands of people who are trans and go through what I can only imagine is a very painful experience should "come to terms with reality" , because it doesn't suit us to have them in our changing rooms."

So you think that the thousands of people who have an eating disorder and go through what i imagine is a very painful experience should come to terms with reaity? Because it doesnt suit us to agree that they are overweight ?

Most people with eating disorders are fully functioning people and have jobs , relationships, families etc they still have disordered thinking of the mind. The sooner society accepts that being trans is similar, then there may be better psycholigical / behavioural support for it. Its shocking that anyone believes otherwise and that health professionals are more willing to put people on lifelong medication and surgeries before looking at the deeper causes of gender dysphoria

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Lots of parents have to deal with public meltdowns, it isn't exclusive to trans children.

My daughter's autistic meltdown when faced with sharing a toilet with a male bodied person clearly counts for nothing in the views of FB.

334bu I think if you refresh you will find it, already there’s a discussion about whether trans people can legally do want they want without regard for others

Males need testosterone for libido and sexual function. As long as a male is on oestrogen and spironolactone to suppress testosterone their sexual functioning will be significantly diminished. That’s why late transitioning males seem so reluctant to start such treatments. They’ve experienced the full joys of this side of life and as such are loathed to give it up. This is something children who have reached adulthood will never experience. The judges in the Bell/Mrs A vs Tavistock concluded it is “highly unlikely” a child under 16 could comprehend the nature of what they were giving up.

And to continue your contradictions Fastedbrownie you have now both simultaneously wished adults with GD could have had puberty blockers if they missed out while also acknowledging the harm they do to a male’s sexual functioning and libido.

Yes we do not change legislation to avoid meltdowns..oh wait...

I am learning a great deal about how a parent of a transgirl copes, to be honest. Was this denial of sexism there before your child started to transition or has it formed after? We all have contradictions to some degree in our thinking, do you see some of the contradictions in your thinking?

Thank you for your honesty and robust answers, Fasted.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4153051-That-women-should-not-be-banned-from-Social-Media-for-asking-the-question-Thread-4

Linking up thread 4 on this page for others to follow through.

Thanks @Winesalot.
Buried up to my neck in work today.