AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question - Thread 3

[Thewithesarehere]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:

“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

Here's some more info about transgender murder rates:

More about murder rates:

fairplayforwomen.com/trans-murder-rates/

@Ereshkigalangcleg I have never said there isnt one.

@dialsquare
That may be so, but to go back to where I started, that is how they feel.

Link to the previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4148800-AIBU-to-think-women-should-not-be-banned-from-Social-media-for-asking-the-question-Thread-2

That's completely irrelevant to the fact that you said we live our life by statistics. We live our life by how we feel (granted, sometimes informed by statistics, sometimes informed by experience).

I'm not really talking about on an individual level, I'm talking on a societal level. A large part of the reason that we have single sex facilities is to ensure that women can partake in public life safely and comfortably, given what we know about male crime. If it was 50/50 we could just have mixed sex everything because the risk would be the same, male or female.

If 98% of sexual offences are carried about by males then it makes sense that the vast majority of women are not going to feel the same as you when it comes to being more comfortable around men or women (and I'm sorry for what has happened to you in the past, I didn't mean to sound flippant in my earlier post). Hence the single sex spaces.

@ScreamingBeans

Interesting reading.

The line about the notoriously dangerous line of business though. ....if that was written about women in a thread about murder, people would be shouting victim blaming.

Interesting that men are more likely to be murdered than women. We don't hear that often.

@BarbaraofKent

That's completely irrelevant to the fact that you said we live our life by statistics. We live our life by how we feel (granted, sometimes informed by statistics, sometimes informed by experience).

I'm not really talking about on an individual level, I'm talking on a societal level. A large part of the reason that we have single sex facilities is to ensure that women can partake in public life safely and comfortably, given what we know about male crime. If it was 50/50 we could just have mixed sex everything because the risk would be the same, male or female.

If 98% of sexual offences are carried about by males then it makes sense that the vast majority of women are not going to feel the same as you when it comes to being more comfortable around men or women (and I'm sorry for what has happened to you in the past, I didn't mean to sound flippant in my earlier post). Hence the single sex spaces.

You didn't.

But I'm aware I'm not the only one who feels like that.

So those of us who do, what do we do? Leave?

This is the problem by judging Everything in life by the majority.

Anorexics feel fat. Would you agree with them and support them in starving themselves?

Thank you for the 3rd thread.

I remain intrigued as to what regulations can be in place that exclude males amd all those who would use the loophole to their advantage and allow genuine transwomen in. Bearing in mind that any firm of gate keeping is deemed transphobic anyone who assumes that we are talking about people who made some kind of "meaningful transition" maybe hormones ir surgery. But the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. How to we know who is a woman on say day one of their transition, one who is perfectly happy with their body with no changes and is legally a woman, and one who has fully transitioned.

How do we gate keep whilst mot commuting a hate crime?

How do we decide who is a woman when women is nothing just a state of mind?

@DialSquare

Anorexics feel fat. Would you agree with them and support them in starving themselves?

Comparing transgender to a mental health issue in that manner is easily one of the most offensive things I've read yet.

Hiding these threads is like playing whack a mole

Interesting that men are more likely to be murdered than women. We don't hear that often.
More likely to be murdered BY?

Yes there is a question about why so many transpeople in American subcontinent are prostitutes

Not something that is impacted by TWAW or the Toilet debate though

In fact showing why we need to consider TW as having their own issues that need TW specific. Solutions

Not solved by giving them acces to women's loos

Why are's they focused on loos not prostitution?

You didn't.

But I'm aware I'm not the only one who feels like that.

So those of us who do, what do we do? Leave?

This is the problem by judging Everything in life by the majority.

It's not just a majority, its an overwhelming undeniable majority. Its 98%.

Are you saying that you don't agree with single sex spaces at all then, and that everything should be mixed sex? Because they are the only 2 options really?

Also, if you are more uncomfortable around women than men, but you believe that transwomen are women, then why are you so keen to allow them into female spaces? Do you have the same level of discomfort around transwomen as you do around women? If not, why not, if they are women?

Men are more likely to be murdered by other men.

Women are more likely to be murderd by men.

That's always been the way.

It's not victim blaming to note that prostitution is incredibly dangerous. Of course it is, the power is held by men who believe women are there for their use and they are bigger and stronger than women and they hate us. How could such men not be dangerous? That's not victim blaming, it's perpetrator blaming, rightly so.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Thank you for the 3rd thread.

I remain intrigued as to what regulations can be in place that exclude males amd all those who would use the loophole to their advantage and allow genuine transwomen in. Bearing in mind that any firm of gate keeping is deemed transphobic anyone who assumes that we are talking about people who made some kind of "meaningful transition" maybe hormones ir surgery. But the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. How to we know who is a woman on say day one of their transition, one who is perfectly happy with their body with no changes and is legally a woman, and one who has fully transitioned.

How do we gate keep whilst mot commuting a hate crime?

How do we decide who is a woman when women is nothing just a state of mind?

I don't have the answers. I don't think anyone does, other than DON'T LET THEM IN.

I don't disagree with the changing spaces thing in principle, I came back in good faith and I've read some really interesting things I didn't know.

But the "tough shit, men feelz" stuff is what immediately sends me back there. It's not needed. There are ways to balance the two.

I agree on the transition issue. The length of time though has been born out of making sure it's definitely what people want, that they won't regret it, that other things are ruled out. That has in part been created by the idea that is is a mental illness.

Comparing transgender to a mental health issue in that manner is easily one of the most offensive things I've read yet
.but there's no bloody test. No xray. No brain scan. No test if any kind.

Its a selection of criteria based on stereotypes and feelings. Check out the nhs checklist.

What is is if its not something that shows up with any test or any form.of elimination criteria

It is not offensive at all. Don't talk bollocks because you can't answer the question truthfully.

Comparing transgender to a mental health issue in that manner is easily one of the most offensive things I've read yet.

And yet we are told that trans children must be allowed to go on a medical pathway starting with off label drugs, leading to the removal of healthy body parts, infertility, and Sexual dysfunction because if we don't they will kill themselves? Sounds like a mental health issue to me?

@Vtech

Hiding these threads is like playing whack a mole

But why do you want to hide these threads? Do you agree that women should be banned from Twitter and other social media for saying what I copied and pasted in the OP?

@ScreamingBeans

Men are more likely to be murdered by other men.

Women are more likely to be murderd by men.

That's always been the way.

It's not victim blaming to note that prostitution is incredibly dangerous. Of course it is, the power is held by men who believe women are there for their use and they are bigger and stronger than women and they hate us. How could such men not be dangerous? That's not victim blaming, it's perpetrator blaming, rightly so.

But this is never going to be a fair discussion when on all fronts, women are never wrong, men are always to blame.

Women turns to prostitution because it's a man's fault, man is at fault for paying her for services because that's abusing her, women tend to be prostitutes therefore women are always at risk. transwomen are killed at the hands of men and oopsy well it's a dangerous profession

Men kill more women because they are stronger. Talking of biological facts , that is one.

But any discussion of how we get over that (trying to close the divide between men and women, educate young men, explore male mental health (the astronomical suicide rate for men is never talked about half as much as it would be if it was for women) because any suggestion of that is met with, and I've seen this several times this week let alone my time on MN, "So women have to fix men now and make it better, boo poor menz".

It's a mental health issue because they are being denied their rights which obviously affects their mental health and if only you would be nice and let them hurt themselves physically they would be fine mentally...

Comparing transgender to a mental health issue in that manner is easily one of the most offensive things I've read yet
I am not sure about it being a mental health issue but I am sure that if a person needs medication to sustain their condition, it is likely a health condition that they are facing.

Anybody writing I have a dick and a beard so fuck you is not setting out to be accepted, are they, that's not their main motive.

But again, you're falling foul of your own definition of transphobia which was refusing to accept transwomen are women. That was the definition you gave. Women who question tranwomen's motivation/ intention are denounced as transphobic. Constantly.

Women are not always right
Men are not always wrong

Women are always women
Men are always men

But the "tough shit, men feelz" stuff is what immediately sends me back there. It's not needed. There are ways to balance the two

Men have ruled the world and set the rules for centuries. They will be just fine . They are just fine. Believing women should be put at risk to make the men feel better about the way they have shat on women seems insane.