4 people sentenced to 3 weeks in prison for breaking quarantine

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-52286369

or 6 weeks if they broke quarantine twice.

AIBU to think thank goodness the rules are being enforced, and this should be happening far more widely.

Fines are massive as well, ten thousand £

This is what we need, a bit of teeth in the regulations

Since the Cummins episode this country would find it difficult to enforce so irrelevant really.

CWH is an old fashioned crank same person who co-organised an anti-masks protest. It's funny I can't find her listed as a solicitor anywhere. But I can see her Facebook tirade about "fucktards." And other minority views.

That Leah person has similar opinions & soapboxes.

I wonder how many deaths, bankruptcies and other tragedies will have been at least partly caused by Dominic Cummings’ flouting the rules and Boris Johnson’s support of him. Genuinely. We’ll never know, of course. But they made it clear they didn’t give a damn, so why should anyone else?

I've been in quarantine for nearly two weeks because I went on holiday to spain, to a place with no cases in a private house. So if I went out you'd be happy for me to go to prison with murderers, thieves, drug addicts just for for going out for a solitary walk?

Yet my friend and neighbours are allowed to meet in a pub garden or park in groups of 6.

None of us know who has this virus or who is a carrier. We need to start getting back on with our lives before the mental health of everyone is severely affected causing a damn site more ruined lives than the virus ever did, not to mention the financial ruin of many.

Omg you’re pathetic!

I think a lot of people are bloody sick of lockdown now and just want to get on with things and over the mass hysteria!

I think the long term effects of lockdown is going to cause more social problems and poverty than the risks of suffering any serious consequences of COVID!

We seem to have gone from let’s limit how quickly people catch it so the NHS doesn’t get overwhelmed to people not catching it outright.

The figures of death are still really low compared to the population and it’s actually not that deadly compared to the many risks and other illnesses out there.

Surely more people are at risk of their other treatments and operations being delayed, the long term effect of poverty on health is widely documented etc.

I would have had quarantine in March. It all seems too late, and as long as you are not going anywhere where you can be traced (work, somewhere where you pay with a bank card), and have not fallen out with neighbours or anyone who would complain, the quarantine is almost voluntary.

Enforcement should have started with Robert Jenrick and Dominic Cummings.

I don't have IOM experience but do of Guernsey. The people are fiercely proud of their island and independence. I assume IOM is the same. To them they have not lost any liberties and my family and friends cannot believe how some people in the UK are behaving. They are happy that they have total freedom within the Island and are happy that the law
Is protecting them. They are COVID free and aim to keep it that way

Exactly this . We are proud of the way out government have handled the whole thing . We are not blind to the fact that the island can not keep the borders closed for ever and this is not the aim .
Slow and steady . We are now able to leave the island and return ( with an exemption certificate ) and self isolate for 14 days .

• We have always been able to leave but have now relaxed the rules so can return . A friend has arrived to see her sick father and has self isolated for two weeks in a separate house . Our life here is back to normal . No social distancing, no masks, a big carnival last week . We are so lucky . The ones who broke the rules because they had symptoms , didn’t care and had already been told to isolate twice were a danger. We had 24 deaths , population of 80,000 . 20 of those were from one care home now closed . A true tragedy that we will find the facts about after the investigation .

I am truly proud to be Manx and of this island of ours .

@MrsTerryPratchett

I'm in favour of good guidelines.

I am not in favour of civil liberties being stripped with massive consequences if you disobey. Have people not read 1984?

I did it for A level and this is nothing like 1984.

Laptops and phones with cameras, social media etc. on the other hand...

Get a grip. This virus is not Ebola. It’s a complete over reaction by the government and the press.

So if I went out you'd be happy for me to go to prison with murderers

Spreading the virus causes deaths - or long term problems, you could infect many people.

So what’s the difference?

We seem to have gone from let’s limit how quickly people catch it so the NHS doesn’t get overwhelmed to people not catching it outright

This. We were never over run at the hospitals, the majority have actually done really well by sticking to the guidelines. Remember we have 67 million people in the country, the few idiots that you see in the paper not following them are minuscule.

At its peak 3000 people were being admitted to hospital now we are at 60. Hospitals admissions are not rising and we have to take this in to perspective.

Posters saying ^GOOD!! At last they are taking it seriously!!’ We have!

We now need to focus on children getting back in to school, care homes patients receiving treatment they need and cancer patients being properly assessed and treated.

@BluebellsGreenbells

So if I went out you'd be happy for me to go to prison with murderers

Spreading the virus causes deaths - or long term problems, you could infect many people.

So what’s the difference?

The difference is I wouldnt be killing anyone on purpose, I wouldn't set out to harm anyone just as the thousands of other infected peole who inadvertently infected others didn't.

I was in spain at a place with very few cases. What is the difference between me and others coming from spain going for a solitary walk to those who are going to the pub and sitting in a room with others? No one know if they have the virus or are a carrier. Unless they've been in complete isolation for two weeks.

Up thread there is seemingly a poster highlighting or essentially promoting what frankly appears to be organised criminal mass civic disobedience rallies throughout the UK today.

Is this permissible on this particular online platform or are there rules and expectations regarding the discouraging of not only criminality but also a potentially reckless and mass selfish causation of possible asymptomatic Covid community transmission chains and fatalities.

One would imagine such lawlessness would need addressing before it causes further harm than good! There are legitimate and legal Covid safe ways to voice concern but causing destruction is possibly not one that brings wins many empathy from concerned medically vulnerable public members.

This is surely short sighted short term me-ism entitlement thinking that will inevitably lead to more long term pain and suffering and not helping us get rid of this pandemic once and for all so we can all legally not be required to fulfil these Covid mitigation measures to prevent further fatalities to ourselves and to each other!

They were fined £6000

Unless they've been in complete isolation for two weeks

So you should be responsible, you know you could have the virus, yet chose to be out and about. Therefore increasing your risk of picking it up or passing it on.

Choosing to go out, you are possibly choosing to spread the virus. You may have it without symptoms. There’s the biggest worry.

@BluebellsGreenbells

Unless they've been in complete isolation for two weeks

So you should be responsible, you know you could have the virus, yet chose to be out and about. Therefore increasing your risk of picking it up or passing it on.

Choosing to go out, you are possibly choosing to spread the virus. You may have it without symptoms. There’s the biggest worry.

That could be true of anyone who's in regular contact with other people.

So if I went out you'd be happy for me to go to prison with murderers. No but I would like the Prime Minister who failed to act on SAGE advice on March 16th for over a week to be there instead.

*07:46Trumpton

I don't have IOM experience but do of Guernsey. The people are fiercely proud of their island and independence. I assume IOM is the same. To them they have not lost any liberties and my family and friends cannot believe how some people in the UK are behaving. They are happy that they have total freedom within the Island and are happy that the law
Is protecting them. They are COVID free and aim to keep it that way

Exactly this . We are proud of the way out government have handled the whole thing . We are not blind to the fact that the island can not keep the borders closed for ever and this is not the aim .
Slow and steady . We are now able to leave the island and return ( with an exemption certificate ) and self isolate for 14 days .

• We have always been able to leave but have now relaxed the rules so can return . A friend has arrived to see her sick father and has self isolated for two weeks in a separate house . Our life here is back to normal . No social distancing, no masks, a big carnival last week . We are so lucky . The ones who broke the rules because they had symptoms , didn’t care and had already been told to isolate twice were a danger. We had 24 deaths , population of 80,000 . 20 of those were from one care home now closed . A true tragedy that we will find the facts about after the investigation .*

Yep, exactly this!

People saying someone has been jailed for walking their dog, are being disengenuos. He wasn't jailed for walking the bloody dog, he was jailed for ignoring isolation rules after being warned.

The problem is the UK didn't come down hard enough in the first place, and now it's gone on too long and people are sick of all the half measures.

@ReslpsaLoquiterInterAlia
What is the difference between demomstrating peacefully against things we see as unjust at the current time, and, for example, demonstrating against Brexit or anything else you care to name. Why is one okay, but the other 'civil disobedience'? We have a right to free speech in this country (for how long I sometimes wonder).
Also, how do you know there will be civil disobedience (aka law breaking akin to rioting/criminal damage etc) and that the demonstration will not be 'covid safe' as you so quaintly put it. A march/demo of like minded souls is not civil disobedience.
You come across as a total pearl clutcher with rather worrying views on our human rights.

One would imagine such lawlessness would need addressing before it causes further harm than good!

"Lawlessness". That's a bit of a mindless comment. What are you even trying to say?

Laws change at the whims of whoever happens to be in power. Laws can be and often are deeply unjust. Laws that were previously fair can overnight become abusive.

In Hong Kong you can now be described as "lawless" for simply calling for democratic freedoms. So you can see where foolish comments about "lawlessness" as the measure of right and wrong take you. "Lawless protesters" is the refrain of Beijing.

The relationship between what is lawful, what is right, what is socially responsible, and the kind of society we want to live in is more complex than "lawful=good".

Marital rape used to be perfectly lawful not so long ago in this country. However, being a rapist has always been repugnant and destructive, regardless of whether or not it is lawful or lawless.

@BluebellsGreenbells

So if I went out you'd be happy for me to go to prison with murderers

Spreading the virus causes deaths - or long term problems, you could infect many people.

So what’s the difference?

Good God, is the comparing people going out to murderers still going on? I thought/hoped that sort of hysteria was over by now!

@Reedwarbler

Human rights and freedoms are naturally of paramount importance as these are rights that have historically evolved through ironically demonstrations and acts of defiance. However that said in this particular issue we are literally possibly playing with death and destruction.

Nobody likes to wear if not necessarily these face coverings etc. There is scientific health and safety reason and hence despite initial encouragement of all Covid safer mitigation measures including personal protective equipment and clothing - emergency criminal laws had to be mandated to help to reduce the fatalities.

For this reason ie potential causing of death these particular demonstrations (which are not legally permitted ie criminal) should be seen in that light and avoided on health and safety grounds (let alone criminality).

Do you want to be potentially dead (or face long term Covid lung damage) but retaining your human rights and freedoms? Or are you happy knowingly adding to further Covid community transmission and fatalities? I imagine you are most likely a pro herd immunity or anti science type and obviously do not know nor care about dangers to any one older and vulnerable or younger but with health issues like obesity etc. You have not seen or personally experienced Covid suffering.

Do you not want to wear the damn mask with social distancing and all other scientific proven Covid mitigation measures to get rid and beat this over coming months so that we can have long term post Covid stability? Or do you want to prolong the current medical emergency forever by not adhering to scientific based criminal laws and be a criminal and potential cause of death?

@Reedwarbler

Just to comment on your Brexshit point. That is different and not a direct personal health and safety risk issue.

We had a democratic vote (twice effectively) and there cannot be more endless democratic votes unless there is a fundamental change of circumstances. Which there will be soon.

For the record both Brexit sides where evidently very liberal with facts and truths and many of us mistakenly trusted them at face value. However we all know what politics is truly about at this worst light.

Possibly when the Brexshit WTO cliff edge drops and we UK have no mates to trade with globally, we can then use the political process to make changes and possibly reinstate a preferred win win personal economic and political scenario.

Alternatively Brexit may be an amazing life changer. But realistically with the UK union in doubt with Scotland and possibly a reunited Ireland we are about to face the double whammy of Covid and Brexshit with no advantageous trade deals with many trading economies. Or really one sided bad ones like say if USA offer us a lifeline but to their advantage etc.

With Brexit we had two democratic votes so demonstrations are fruitless if not medically dangerous unlike unsafe and illegal non Covid safe protests and possibly anarchy as we witness with anti police violence in recent other protests.

This news article is dated 4th April. Get a clue.