4 people sentenced to 3 weeks in prison for breaking quarantine

[mosquitofeast]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-52286369

or 6 weeks if they broke quarantine twice.

AIBU to think thank goodness the rules are being enforced, and this should be happening far more widely.

Fines are massive as well, ten thousand £



This is what we need, a bit of teeth in the regulations

[Etopp]

The way some people are going on, you'd think we weren't all going to end up dead one way or another, anyway @amicissimma

[amicissimma]

"Do you want to be potentially dead (or face long term Covid lung damage) but retaining your human rights and freedoms?"

The thing is there are lots of ways you can end up dead (not just potentially) or face long term lung damage, indeed damage to any of your organs. They existed before Covid and continue. We're just not usually aware of them as they aren't discussed in various media to the extent the effects of Covid are.

So you could, in fact the chances aren't particularly small over a lifetime, give up your human rights and freedoms and still suffer long term damange. And you absolutely will end up dead sooner or later.

[Cantata]

Even if medically you are not impacted - what about your livelihood?

My livelihood was wiped out the minute lockdown was announced in March, @ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Please don't talk to me about livelihoods and Covid.

[Etopp]

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Do you want to be potentially dead (or face long term Covid lung damage) but retaining your human rights and freedoms?

In a nutshell, yes.

[HeIenaDove]

• and a couple of others who have also been very supportive of those who are struggling.

[HeIenaDove]

@Reedwarbler You are correct. She is. She made some nasty comments about people on disability benefits which MN deleted.

At the start of all this i stood somewhere in the middle After the comments ive seen and the attitudes towards disabled people, those with medical conditions, PTSD re masks, i started posting on the other threads.

Its a bit like Labour alienating their voters i suppose. After watching Tories say on here that Labour alienated their voters its been almost laughable to watch @ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia + co doing the same thing. And i would say that the post about disability benefits betrayed what her politics are. So apart from a few great posters like @MrsTerryPratchett and @LangClegsInSpace and a couple ive found more support on the other threads due to feeling alienated.

incidentally im still waiting for the answer about Dominic Cummings

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

@uniglowooljumper

I appreciate and see your interpretation and concerns. However with the current ongoing Covid global pandemic I think the UK has thus far been relaxed and extremely lenient to allowed Brits to apply common sense Covid safety parameters.

We in the UK like USA etc can possibly see a correlation between relaxed carefree indifference and elevated Covid statistics.

The UK with recent democratic political electoral rights of self determination is not what I would consider a hard line dictatorship as inferred in your post of overseas nations. These English criminal laws are different from those you mention because they are (in line with global pandemic norms) to prevent the electorate from suffering Covid pain and suffering and not only lives but also livelihoods. Even if medically you are not impacted - what about your livelihood? We are super tolerant in the UK and have laws to protect many freedoms including other lifestyles choices. The UK apart from previous WW2 (I guess) have never imposed requirements for the people to wear and behave accordingly including wearing what is deemed norms through the globe facing this ongoing medical war.

Do not mix this up with encroachment of other human rights and freedoms as we should all favour the right for damage limitation and increased safety facing an invisible public enemy. This is for both lives and livelihoods.

[uniglowooljumper]

@EmbarrassedUser

I wish they actually enforced the rules for non-payment if child maintenance. Oh yeah, that would be hard Love how some rules are adhered to strictly but others, not so much.

Exactly! 'We're all in this together', as long as it's Covid, not social justice, tackling poverty and inequality, endemic sexism and downright misogyny in some areas. Those don't effect everyone . . . oh, wait . . . .

[uniglowooljumper]

Do you want to be potentially dead (or face long term Covid lung damage) but retaining your human rights and freedoms?

Yes. That is a risk, because the chances of most people dying or suffering long-term lung damage from this are very slim, I am more than happy to take because human rights and freedoms are what make life worth living. I've lived in police states before, not by choice, I'm amazed at how many would willingly accept it for the stupid and erroneous illusion of 'safety' but then, that's how such regimes manage to get started and come to power. It was survival, not living, more like. You just change the name of what you're being forced to do it for - Virus, Religion, 'Democracy', Greater Good, etc. All that's different is the name. You're never 'safe' in such regimes, quite the opposite.

[EmbarrassedUser]

I wish they actually enforced the rules for non-payment if child maintenance. Oh yeah, that would be hard Love how some rules are adhered to strictly but others, not so much.

[Crunchymum]

Quelle surprise at the disappearing (GF) OP.

[Reedwarbler]

@ReslpsaLoquiturinterAlia
I find your first post in response to mine quite offensive as you are quite happy to make judgements on my beliefs from a few lines written on an Internet forum. You know nothing about me, and I am not going to give you the satisfaction of answering your questions/statements about what I may have seen or experienced, or how I feel about the current situation.
The only thing I can say with any certainty is that you come across as a bit of a knob.

[PinkSparklyPussyCat]

@iklboo

How far are people away from wanting dedicated Covid quarantine establishments?

Covid Concentration Camps by another name. It terrifies me.

I'm sure a lot of people are in favour. I remember reading posts on here where people thought the Chinese methods were a good idea.

[iklboo]

How far are people away from wanting dedicated Covid quarantine establishments?

Covid Concentration Camps by another name. It terrifies me.

[Bizawit]

This news article is dated 4th April. Get a clue.

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

@Reedwarbler

Just to comment on your Brexshit point. That is different and not a direct personal health and safety risk issue.

We had a democratic vote (twice effectively) and there cannot be more endless democratic votes unless there is a fundamental change of circumstances. Which there will be soon.

For the record both Brexit sides where evidently very liberal with facts and truths and many of us mistakenly trusted them at face value. However we all know what politics is truly about at this worst light.

Possibly when the Brexshit WTO cliff edge drops and we UK have no mates to trade with globally, we can then use the political process to make changes and possibly reinstate a preferred win win personal economic and political scenario.

Alternatively Brexit may be an amazing life changer. But realistically with the UK union in doubt with Scotland and possibly a reunited Ireland we are about to face the double whammy of Covid and Brexshit with no advantageous trade deals with many trading economies. Or really one sided bad ones like say if USA offer us a lifeline but to their advantage etc.

With Brexit we had two democratic votes so demonstrations are fruitless if not medically dangerous unlike unsafe and illegal non Covid safe protests and possibly anarchy as we witness with anti police violence in recent other protests.

[ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia]

@Reedwarbler

Human rights and freedoms are naturally of paramount importance as these are rights that have historically evolved through ironically demonstrations and acts of defiance. However that said in this particular issue we are literally possibly playing with death and destruction.

Nobody likes to wear if not necessarily these face coverings etc. There is scientific health and safety reason and hence despite initial encouragement of all Covid safer mitigation measures including personal protective equipment and clothing - emergency criminal laws had to be mandated to help to reduce the fatalities.

For this reason ie potential causing of death these particular demonstrations (which are not legally permitted ie criminal) should be seen in that light and avoided on health and safety grounds (let alone criminality).

Do you want to be potentially dead (or face long term Covid lung damage) but retaining your human rights and freedoms? Or are you happy knowingly adding to further Covid community transmission and fatalities? I imagine you are most likely a pro herd immunity or anti science type and obviously do not know nor care about dangers to any one older and vulnerable or younger but with health issues like obesity etc. You have not seen or personally experienced Covid suffering.

Do you not want to wear the damn mask with social distancing and all other scientific proven Covid mitigation measures to get rid and beat this over coming months so that we can have long term post Covid stability? Or do you want to prolong the current medical emergency forever by not adhering to scientific based criminal laws and be a criminal and potential cause of death?

[PinkSparklyPussyCat]

@BluebellsGreenbells

So if I went out you'd be happy for me to go to prison with murderers

Spreading the virus causes deaths - or long term problems, you could infect many people.

So what’s the difference?

Good God, is the comparing people going out to murderers still going on? I thought/hoped that sort of hysteria was over by now!

[user1294625849274]

One would imagine such lawlessness would need addressing before it causes further harm than good!

"Lawlessness". That's a bit of a mindless comment. What are you even trying to say?

Laws change at the whims of whoever happens to be in power. Laws can be and often are deeply unjust. Laws that were previously fair can overnight become abusive.

In Hong Kong you can now be described as "lawless" for simply calling for democratic freedoms. So you can see where foolish comments about "lawlessness" as the measure of right and wrong take you. "Lawless protesters" is the refrain of Beijing.

The relationship between what is lawful, what is right, what is socially responsible, and the kind of society we want to live in is more complex than "lawful=good".

Marital rape used to be perfectly lawful not so long ago in this country. However, being a rapist has always been repugnant and destructive, regardless of whether or not it is lawful or lawless.

[Reedwarbler]

@ReslpsaLoquiterInterAlia
What is the difference between demomstrating peacefully against things we see as unjust at the current time, and, for example, demonstrating against Brexit or anything else you care to name. Why is one okay, but the other 'civil disobedience'? We have a right to free speech in this country (for how long I sometimes wonder).
Also, how do you know there will be civil disobedience (aka law breaking akin to rioting/criminal damage etc) and that the demonstration will not be 'covid safe' as you so quaintly put it. A march/demo of like minded souls is not civil disobedience.
You come across as a total pearl clutcher with rather worrying views on our human rights.

[CallarMorvern]

*07:46Trumpton

I don't have IOM experience but do of Guernsey. The people are fiercely proud of their island and independence. I assume IOM is the same. To them they have not lost any liberties and my family and friends cannot believe how some people in the UK are behaving. They are happy that they have total freedom within the Island and are happy that the law
Is protecting them. They are COVID free and aim to keep it that way

Exactly this . We are proud of the way out government have handled the whole thing . We are not blind to the fact that the island can not keep the borders closed for ever and this is not the aim .
Slow and steady . We are now able to leave the island and return ( with an exemption certificate ) and self isolate for 14 days .

• We have always been able to leave but have now relaxed the rules so can return .
  A friend has arrived to see her sick father and has self isolated for two weeks in a separate house .
  Our life here is back to normal . No social distancing, no masks, a big carnival last week .
  We are so lucky .
  The ones who broke the rules because they had symptoms , didn’t care and had already been told to isolate twice were a danger.
  We had 24 deaths , population of 80,000 . 20 of those were from one care home now closed . A true tragedy that we will find the facts about after the investigation .*
  
  Yep, exactly this!
  
  People saying someone has been jailed for walking their dog, are being disengenuos. He wasn't jailed for walking the bloody dog, he was jailed for ignoring isolation rules after being warned.
  
  The problem is the UK didn't come down hard enough in the first place, and now it's gone on too long and people are sick of all the half measures.

[durdlestairs]

So if I went out you'd be happy for me to go to prison with murderers. No but I would like the Prime Minister who failed to act on SAGE advice on March 16th for over a week to be there instead.

[Darkdecent]

@BluebellsGreenbells

Unless they've been in complete isolation for two weeks

So you should be responsible, you know you could have the virus, yet chose to be out and about. Therefore increasing your risk of picking it up or passing it on.

Choosing to go out, you are possibly choosing to spread the virus. You may have it without symptoms. There’s the biggest worry.

That could be true of anyone who's in regular contact with other people.

[BluebellsGreenbells]

Unless they've been in complete isolation for two weeks

So you should be responsible, you know you could have the virus, yet chose to be out and about. Therefore increasing your risk of picking it up or passing it on.

Choosing to go out, you are possibly choosing to spread the virus. You may have it without symptoms. There’s the biggest worry.

[Alaperchoine]

They were fined £6000