4 people sentenced to 3 weeks in prison for breaking quarantine

[mosquitofeast]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-52286369

or 6 weeks if they broke quarantine twice.

AIBU to think thank goodness the rules are being enforced, and this should be happening far more widely.

Fines are massive as well, ten thousand £

This is what we need, a bit of teeth in the regulations

And i dont see why those face masks they have got that the NHS cant use because they have ear loops not tie backs , cant be sent to low income families, It wouldnt be that hard. Just use DWP records to do it

What is really galling is all the ones who have spent the last ten years voting for individualism now having a go at everyone else saying we are all in this together.

Absolutely Helena. We could have had representatives who cared about us, made decisions based on facts and with our best interests at heart, who tried to mitigate the effects of this on people. But we voted for rapid, self-interested arseholes who don't care about their population in the slightest.

If you vote for untrustworthy people, you can't trust them. With your health or your rights.

YABU.

Funny how prison cells can be found for people going to the beach or visiting friends or attending a party, but strangely there are never enough cells for sex offenders, thieves and suchlike.

Anyone who seriously thinks a jail sentence and/or a fine for 'breaking quarantine' needs to give their head a wobble.

Could I have details too @MrsSnitchnose please?

Of course restrictions in human rights and civil liberties are always rolled back when the 'crisis' passes. hollow laugh

@uniglowooljumper I watched dystopian drama series 1990 on youtube last year. It was only officially broadcast once on BBC 2 in the 1970s and it was billed as 1984+6

"The series is set in a dystopian future in which Britain is under the grip of the Home Office's Public Control Department (PCD), a tyrannically oppressive bureaucracy riding roughshod over the population's civil liberties.

Dubbed "Nineteen Eighty-Four plus six" by its creator, Wilfred Greatorex, 1990 stars Edward Woodward as journalist Jim Kyle, Robert Lang as the powerful PCD Controller Herbert Skardon, Barbara Kellerman as PCD Deputy Controller Delly Lomas, John Savident, Yvonne Mitchell (in her last role), Lisa Harrow, Tony Doyle, Michael Napier Brown, and Clive Swift.

Two series, of eight episodes each, were produced and broadcast on BBC2 in 1977 and 1978. The series was never repeated but was released on DVD in 2017. Two novelisations based on the scripts were released in paperback by the publisher Sphere; Wilfred Greatorex's 1990, and Wilfred Greatorex's 1990 Book Two.

Jim Kyle (Edward Woodward) is a journalist on the last independent newspaper, called The Star, who turns renegade and fights the PCD covertly. The officials of the PCD – headed by Controller Herbert Skardon (Robert Lang) – in turn, try to find proof of Kyle's subversive activities. Skardon's two Deputy Controllers are Delly Lomas (Barbara Kellerman), who has an ambiguous personal relationship with Kyle, and Henry Tasker (Clifton Jones); however, in the second series, these two Deputies were replaced by Lynn Blake (Lisa Harrow), a former love interest of Kyle's. (In the novelisation of episodes from Series Two, the explanation given for the replacement of Delly Lomas was that she had been "relegated to obscurity in the Dundee Branch of the PCD"; no explanation is given for Henry Tasker's departure.) Kyle was aided and abetted by Import/Export Agent Dave Brett (Tony Doyle) and provided from time to time with Top Secret government information by the mysterious "Faceless" (Paul Hardwick), who is a top-level government official tapped into the PCD. The whole government machine is headed by Home Secretary Dan Mellor (John Savident), replaced in office in Series Two (supposedly through Kyle's efforts) by Kate Smith (Yvonne Mitchell)"

One of the episodes was called Non Citizen.

@IndecentFeminist Done

Thanks for that @HeIenaDove I've just saved the whole series. Looks interesting

It is really good. I love Edward Woodward. He was brilliant in everything he did

@MrsTerryPratchett I know there are many who work in social housing like yourself who do all they can

What an utter waste of a place in jail and tax payers money. Not something to be celebrated at all.

Anyone who thinks this is a good thing is insane.

Well just thank God that if you don’t live in the Isle of Man. Effing ridiculous.

About time!

I have a friend who grew up in Poland and moved here just over 25 years ago. She warns me to be very careful how much control we let the government have in the name of the Greater Good.

I didn't think that like Communist Poland we would have people in our country who say/think "I would happily do the job of checking if people are [doing what] they should be". Scarily, it seems I was wrong.

For the Greater Good is a term that bothers me a lot. It makes me really uncomforatble and is on par with 'the end justifies the means'. Also, anyone who is familiar with Harry Potter knows that it's the motto of the wizarding equivalent of Hitler (Gellert Grindelwald)

Thanks Helena

I always appreciate your constant, tireless focus on housing. It's so important!

I also agree with Mrs T and Helena! Slippery slope!! I have read 1984 twice and also watched the film recently! Comparisons to now are terrifying! V for vendetta is another! Makes me very afraid for my kids futures! X

Another agreeing with MrsTP. The only thing more chilling to me than the action taken is the fact that so many of my peers would cheer it on.

Completely agree with MrsTP and Helena.

If you tolerate this
YOUR children will be next

We take for granted the freedom we had a children
but our children do not have it

if we tolerate this
what is next ?

Well just thank God that if you don’t live in the Isle of Man. Effing ridiculous.

Actually it's fab, my daughter got 5wks of full-time schooling before summer. We have our normal lives back, we can shop, visit friends, have parties, no social distancing and no masks. It's such a relief.
The refusal to stick to the rules and be sensible is why the UK is still struggling. Yes, we are a small island, but it's the majority pulling together and following the rules, that have enabled us to stop our NHS being overrun. The people who have been jailed (I think it was 6 and one was a guy who thought it was smart to spit at keyworkers) are the usual idiots, not your average guy on the street.

That is a classic anthem

Spitting is already common assault and already an offender. It's the creep of new powers and enforcement that is worrying.

FWIW the only credible virus free places are islands (N Korea and Turkmenistan aren't credible). Places with draconian lock downs aren't virus free. So the accident of geography is vastly more important than enforcement.

I do understand your argument, there are things other that Corona that worry me, more akin the The Handmaiden's Tale.

But, my elderly parents are in England, in an area that has been locked down yet again. I'm so worried about them, I can't comprehend people like you who think just ignoring all the advice and just doing what you want is OK (or who are defending people who think like that), it's just prolonging the risk to vulnerable people. Just so selfish. Cummings is a tosser, but people are just using him as an excuse to do as they please and fuck over the most at risk. How do you stop people who refuse to consider others. You are going to be locked in this unbreakable cycle forever.
Also, people who live on the mainland, I don't think you really understand the reality and vulnerability of living on an island. We had to come down hard on this, islanders are vulnerable, we didn't have the option to piss about like England has. I'm probably going to hide this thread as I can't cope with the thought that you all want to remain in this hell indefinitely, because you are protecting the selfish and people like my parents who are trying to do everything right are at risk.

We are on a small island here too, but still larger than Man. Many people travel to the mainland for work and vice versa, so we cannot lock down completely. We have still, fingers crossed been relatively unscathed.

You cannot compare the Isle of Man to the rest of the UK. How would you lock it down to the same extent? Heathrow alone makes that impossible!