What’s the problem with Trans?

[Karenista]

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Can someone please take the time to explain to me what the issue is with trans women? Or trans rights in general?

I consider myself a feminist, but since reading all the posts about publicly ‘coming out as GC’, I now feel... almost... not feminist enough because I believe in trans rights.

Where’s the middle ground? Or am I now going to feel alienated from ‘GC feminists?’

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Why don’t you tell us what you think the “problem with Trans” is?

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What rights are we talking?

They already have rights enshrined in law.

🤣. Is that you John?

What is GC?

There is no problem with "Trans" as you put it. There are concerns however about rendering the word woman meaningless in terms of law, social policy and sport to name a few areas. If that doesn't concern you then that's your choice.

There is no problem with trans people or trans rights.

There is a problem where one group wishes to expand their rights by encroaching on the rights of the other group. For example the right to single sex spaces.

However women are oppressed on the basis of their sex. There are two sexes. If “ female”now includes “male” women lose the ability to organise themselves as a sex class and oppose sex based oppression. Which is kind of the point of feminism. Clue is in the name.

@justanotherneighinparadise

🤣. Is that you John?

Who’s John?!

What rights don't trans people have?

What does 'believe in trans rights' mean? Does it mean you believe trans people should have the same rights as everyone else (which they currently do), or that they should have new rights they don't currently have?

It always puzzles me when people talk about 'rights'. What rights do people think trans people don't have?

I really want to know the answer to this because it boggles my head.

OP, what rights do trans people not have, which you think they should have? Genuinely curious.

I'll bite. Cis women are trying to protect women's spaces. Amongst many other things.

Correction

Women , of many different genders but one common sex, are trying to protect women's spaces

Please don't cis. It's a horrible word.

@netflixismysidehustle oh boy.

Use of correct pronouns
Gender Reassignment discrimination
Inappropriate Questions
Equality Monitoring
Less chance of accessing Further and Higher Education
Less chance of accessing the correct health and social care for their needs.
Hate Crime!!!!
Sexual Violence and Abuse
DISCRIMINATION (especially on Mumsnet)

Would you like me to elaborate further?

People who believe in God respect that others are atheist and vice versa. There's no attempt by either side to change the other persons mind.

Many activists who believe that gender trumps biology think that people who think the opposite are bigots and need to change their views to their side immediately. Why can't people think that biology trumps gender?

Please do elaborate amijust do trans people not have access to further education? How so?

Once a week at least we have this thread

Once.A.Week

If you were that keen to know, you would look at other threads instead of coming all doe eyed and faux innocent of “but why are you women all so mean”

Oh I thought they wanted to use pronouns incorrectly, to refer to a gender identity and not their sex?

Also, if the biggest problem you have is someone using incorrect pronouns (yes I know that misgendering is LITERALLY killing trans people) then you're leading a charmed life.

@amijustparanoidorjuststoned you’re both paranoid and stoned if you think that’s what’s happening to transwomen. It’s not, it’s happening to biological women. Statistically speaking, transwomen are the least likely to experience any of those things. It is safer to be a transwomen than it is to be a biological male these days.

So we’re talking dressing rooms, public toilets etc? Thanks for clarifying.

I’m afraid I’m not here for an argument - I just wanted some clarification on how people feel; I don’t really know how to answer what I think the problem is, or what rights they don’t have.

If it’s about protecting space then I understand why people feel like that.

@DancingLady hi, there is much evidence to suggest that trans people are less likely to be allowed access to education because of discrimination.