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Dividing the mental load?

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Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:38

I have name changed as with other details from previous posts this is highly identifying!

My husband is a kind person, genuinely not a nasty bone in his body. But he is naturally quite selfish and thoughtless, which I’ve always put down to boarding school syndrome and having a mum who was unable to physically love because of childhood abuse. He was cared for but was never cuddled - his mum couldn’t do it. He’s come out of childhood pretty well despite this.

However, he is a totally useless partner when it comes to kids and house etc. He was ’that’ dad who didn’t know how to strap the car seat in and never learned. He has a massive job, loads of travel and rarely there in the week. Very hardworking, very long days, rarely whinges. A very high earner too which makes our life very financially comfortable and for which I am very grateful.. I was in the same field but after going back after baby 1 we realised two couldn’t do this and also actively parent. I went part time and eventually changed my job and went self employed to facilitate doing all the wrap around care. I actively wanted (and want) to do that, but I do find it hard work sometimes as I am completely on my own in the week. Although my work is very part time, I have the kids the rest of the time so apart from two sessions during school hours where I do a gym class, I am either working, looking after the kids or doing the odd household thing during school hours like food shopping on way back from a meeting. I literally never sit down.

As a result, it has become the norm that he carries no mental load at all. He does no shopping or cooking for us or the kids so has no idea what they eat or when. If he does offer at weekends, he’ll say ‘what shall I do for the kids’ which drives me insane- beans on toast or a sandwich is always fine yet he feels the need to ask rather than just do it. if he does do something family oriented, which is rare, he says things like ‘shall I put the washing away for you’ like it’s all my bloody stuff when it’s simply the family washing. He almost never puts washing on. if he does he never takes it out so it needs rewashing. He has no idea which clothes belong to which child So putting things away is more painful if he’s constantly getting it wrong Or saying ‘whose trousers are these’ every 30 seconds. He puts their clothes in my pile and vice versa which makes me furious - does he not see me? Does he not see his kids and what they are wearing?

Christmas was ok. He is always mad busy in the run up and so I did all the gifts as usual ( he has never bought the kids anything or been involved). I also bought my own two gifts for him to wrap up as the kids would be mortified if I was left out. We got him gifts too. This is the first Christmas Ive genuinely not minded as he was ridiculously busy and working weekends too before the Holiday and for his health I genuinely wanted his spare time to be relaxed/gym rather than shopping for gifts which he is genuinely terrible at.

Yesterday came to a head. I had asked him to work out how to work one of the kids‘ gifts. I had purchased, wrapped and organised absolutely everything, when unwrapped it was me who looked at all the instructions and set everything up, he did none of this. Neither of us is very good at it but I do it for the kids. I said to him before new year, this particular set up is your job (I’d reached the end of my mental load present tether and wanted him to step up frankly). He still hadn’t done it this morning so I did it. It made me so cross because, for me, it represented everything - every meal this holiday that I organised, every wash I’ve put on, every pile of crap he’s walked past and I’ve dealt with Instead, every job I’ve done that he hasn’t seen. He escapes to the garden to do work which I don’t think it essential (he says it is but he always takes the radio and listens to the sport so it’s definitely a manoeuvre too) and ducks out of the important stuff like what to feed the kids. I’m also becoming resentful about the gift thing at Christmas because although he had no time before Christmas, he did go to the gym etc, and now that I’m cross with him I’m thinking that he should have bloody taken an hour of time and bought me a bloody present which he had actually thought about himself. I know this last bit is unreasonable as I told him it was totally fine and he took me at my word. but I’m so cross about everything else that it’s colouring my view of everything to be honest.

He doesn’t do nothing. He does do bath time and supervises teeth in the evenings ( I had to say last year that taking a paper in wasn’t appropriate when he hadn’t seen his kids all day, I had to say that they were quite good fun to talk to and it was important they see him being interested in what they say). He has taken them swimming today and does so every Saturday (he swims lengths while they are in lessons, that’s the incentive I think). So he’s not completely useless but It’s a mental load thing. Aibu though to want to divide up the mental load stuff more when there are two of us around? I’ve told him I want to talk later and this is my plan:

He needs to take half ish of the mental weekend load. that means he organises food for the weekend in its entirety as I do the working week. If he plans it ahead of time I will shop for it (incentive to plan ahead there but I know he won’t) but otherwise it’s his job to shop for the ingredients too. And that includes kids lunches as well which are easy peasy. For the whole weekend. I also want to say he needs to actively look for jobs like putting the washing on/away, bedsheets, tidying etc at the weekends when there are two of us here. Finally, I want to say we get a gardener to do the jobs he does at the weekends/holidays - I genuinely think it’s a cop out manoeuvre and I want to stop ducking out of family life. He says the gardening is a pleasure for him, which is fine but not if it’s at the expense of leaving me inside to sort out every meal/homework/washing/life while He trims trees.

Is this a reasonable Plan? Even if it’s not i feel so much better just writing that out. Sorry it’s long.

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Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:40

One more thing, I’m perimenopausal and he knows it and makes absolutely no effort to accommodate/help/be thoughful when I’m clearly struggling. He is sympathetic when I discuss it (he can’t avoid it, I have terrible night sweats) but once the conversation is over to him it is gone and he isn’t thoughtful enough to even think about asking about it. That’s also what has tipped this from being the norm to being unacceptable for me.

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Doyoumind · 04/01/2020 12:42

It's all very well proposing this but is it at all likely he's going to agree and stick to it? Sounds to me like he has a housekeeper, gets to keep up his hobbies and spends some quality time with his dc when he feels like it.

Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:44

Doyoumind- you are right in a way. That’s why I think I need to assign his stuff Permanently. Having a 6 monthly blow out row has no impact. If certain jobs are his I think it will work better.

He’s not a total cunt, just has got used to having his arse wiped.

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HouseworkAvoider10 · 04/01/2020 12:46

I dunno.
I think you should go back to work full time and get a cleaner and a nanny.
his massive job can pay for that.

the usual script is that these fellas with da big jobs eventually go off with another women and the wife who is a SHM is left high and dry.

you are very vulnerable - be careful.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 04/01/2020 12:47

I would make up some work thing that means he has the children on his own, once he’s done it completely on his own a few times he will take ownership of the jobs that need doing.

Also every bloody time he asks you a question say you decide, and repeat. Accept less than perfect too

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 04/01/2020 12:48

Yeah go back to work full time with a nanny

Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:48

I’m not a stay at home mum. I work. School hours because I want to look after my kids myself. I’m not vulnerable financially, if we split up I could easily go back in full time if I needed or wanted to. But I don’t want my kids brought up by a nanny, I know people do it very successfully and I feel very privileged that I have the choice not to.

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Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 04/01/2020 12:49

Well actually I would say I was working full time but actually do 4 days and have a nanny as well

Copperleaves · 04/01/2020 12:49

There is a reason January is such a busy month for divorce lawyers. Lots of women looking at what they have done and wondering was it all worth it - and can they be arsed to keep doing it.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 04/01/2020 12:49

Ok not nanny but housekeeper

Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:50

I like the you decide idea but it’s very wearing and I’d end up shouting, what’s why I’m asking whether my plan is unreasonable. Is it?

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Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:51

We have a cleaner once a week already, which is amazing, but that doesn’t cover the majority of housework which happens day to day and still needs doing.

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HouseworkAvoider10 · 04/01/2020 12:52

go back full time now.
pay some young one to do the cleaning and/or nannying.

he'll never shape up, clearly, so protect yourself, your career, future earnings and pension.
like I said, you are very vulnerable.
there are tons of women on where who've been hugely stung by da menz with da big jobz.

protect yourself.

Copperleaves · 04/01/2020 12:52

I think I would outsource any domestic chores that you can. He is more likely to pay for this than take them on himself. This will give you a little more time to yourself, and won't impact on time spent with the children. Specific jobs that are only his and where you can leave him with the consequences if he doesn't do them. There isn't an easy answer does he even realise how unhappy you are?

Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:53

I’m not vulnerable. I earn a high wage in my school hours. I am financially independent albeit his high wage affords us bells and whistles that I appreciate greatly.

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Copperleaves · 04/01/2020 12:55

I have ordered the book "Fed Up: navigating and redefining emotional labour for good" - but not read yet, so not sure if it will fix things or being me to divorce!

Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:55

Copper, i don’t think I could outsource anything more, other than the kids which I want to do myself? The weeks are fine, but it’s the weekends and holidays where I want to share the mental load and want to know if what I plan to suggest is reasonable. Is it? Or is it doing too far because I’m cross? What would a middle ground weekend mental load share look like, when one partner has absolutely no self motivation in that area?

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HouseworkAvoider10 · 04/01/2020 12:56

ok, fair enough.

the fact that he's not listening to you at all, would make me want to kill him and bury him under the patio, i must admit.

how can he not see how upset you are?
shameful.

Doyoumind · 04/01/2020 12:57

I agree he's more likely to pay for it than do it himself. But it would be you organising and communicating with whoever you use!

I just don't see why he would change. How would it benefit him personally to change? It won't. It would benefit you but I don't think that's incentive enough for him.

Lllot5 · 04/01/2020 12:57

Well you’ve got two choices the way I see it.
Stop doing it all and let him sink or swim. As long as the dcs won’t come to harm, he can make them jam sandwiches. Every time he asks what should I do just say you decide.
Or you do it all, almost like a housekeeper, he can join in bath times and all the good stuff, I presume he’s very well paid?
Or tell him to shape the fuck up or fuck off.
That’s three choices sorry.

Copperleaves · 04/01/2020 12:58

When you find out, tell me! I've heard people on here saying they have meetings with their partner to talk about what is coming up - say at the start of the month, when you could say there's two birthday parties, we'll take one each, and could you research new tumble dryers and order one please while I sort out the summer clothes. I don't know. There's the giving them a list to do approach which probably works, whereas the getting someone who doesn't care to think for themselves about it is much harder.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 04/01/2020 12:58

Well either you train him to pull his weight or you get a housekeeper?

I mean I was in a very similar position, I’m self employed, sometimes work from home and mostly do the children pick ups and drop offs. Was a sahm for a very long time although I did keep working whilst I was doing it.

When I went back to work it was a big culture shock fir my dh, he works 6 days a week and some evenings. He had to learn to share the mental load and is now doing two drop offs a week and other assorted jobs I had.

He bought me a Christmas present, some fir the children too and all his family.

The difference is for us we need my salary, it’s essential to making our lifestyle work and so he facilitates me working, maybe your dh doesn’t see it that way

BraveGoldie · 04/01/2020 12:59

I think your plan is very reasonable if you can get him to do it.

What you are describing could be my ex husband. He never even came close to understanding the amount of labor and mental loss, because it was invisible to him. And if he offered to do something it was like he was doing me a favour and he needed hand held through every step. The only difference was that while he did work full time, I was also the bigger earner.

Unfortunately, he did go off with a younger woman. While I thought I was slaving away to make his life better, it was also setting up a motherly dynamic and he was emasculated and started to see me in a totally non-sexual way. Cue the girl who looked up to him as a powerful man... Confused

I would beware OP- not only do you deserve to carry less of the mental load, but I suspect all your hard work and his uselessness is dangerous for your marriage. 😞

Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:59

He does see I’m upset in our 6 monthly rows on the same issue (10 years and counting) and he has got better over the years, but I don’t think the work week arrangements help someone who is fundamentally unable to be thoughtful. He isn’t mean, but I do think there is a chip missing from his childhood situation.

Can anyone offer any views on my plan?

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melissasummerfield · 04/01/2020 13:00

Im probably going to be in the minority here and say that as you chose to work part time so that you could raise your children ( i also do this and have done for a while ) then part of that is doing most of the associated ‘mental load’ type stuff.

I do agree that he shouldn't be asking you for jobs or ‘helping’ you when he does household stuff, I had this situation with my dh but right at the start of our relationship i set him straight and now he does just do stuff like i do.

I think splitting the food shopping is pointless, one person needs to do that, if he asks you what to feed them just tell him to either ask them what they want or look in the fridge!

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