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Dividing the mental load?

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Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 12:38

I have name changed as with other details from previous posts this is highly identifying!

My husband is a kind person, genuinely not a nasty bone in his body. But he is naturally quite selfish and thoughtless, which I’ve always put down to boarding school syndrome and having a mum who was unable to physically love because of childhood abuse. He was cared for but was never cuddled - his mum couldn’t do it. He’s come out of childhood pretty well despite this.

However, he is a totally useless partner when it comes to kids and house etc. He was ’that’ dad who didn’t know how to strap the car seat in and never learned. He has a massive job, loads of travel and rarely there in the week. Very hardworking, very long days, rarely whinges. A very high earner too which makes our life very financially comfortable and for which I am very grateful.. I was in the same field but after going back after baby 1 we realised two couldn’t do this and also actively parent. I went part time and eventually changed my job and went self employed to facilitate doing all the wrap around care. I actively wanted (and want) to do that, but I do find it hard work sometimes as I am completely on my own in the week. Although my work is very part time, I have the kids the rest of the time so apart from two sessions during school hours where I do a gym class, I am either working, looking after the kids or doing the odd household thing during school hours like food shopping on way back from a meeting. I literally never sit down.

As a result, it has become the norm that he carries no mental load at all. He does no shopping or cooking for us or the kids so has no idea what they eat or when. If he does offer at weekends, he’ll say ‘what shall I do for the kids’ which drives me insane- beans on toast or a sandwich is always fine yet he feels the need to ask rather than just do it. if he does do something family oriented, which is rare, he says things like ‘shall I put the washing away for you’ like it’s all my bloody stuff when it’s simply the family washing. He almost never puts washing on. if he does he never takes it out so it needs rewashing. He has no idea which clothes belong to which child So putting things away is more painful if he’s constantly getting it wrong Or saying ‘whose trousers are these’ every 30 seconds. He puts their clothes in my pile and vice versa which makes me furious - does he not see me? Does he not see his kids and what they are wearing?

Christmas was ok. He is always mad busy in the run up and so I did all the gifts as usual ( he has never bought the kids anything or been involved). I also bought my own two gifts for him to wrap up as the kids would be mortified if I was left out. We got him gifts too. This is the first Christmas Ive genuinely not minded as he was ridiculously busy and working weekends too before the Holiday and for his health I genuinely wanted his spare time to be relaxed/gym rather than shopping for gifts which he is genuinely terrible at.

Yesterday came to a head. I had asked him to work out how to work one of the kids‘ gifts. I had purchased, wrapped and organised absolutely everything, when unwrapped it was me who looked at all the instructions and set everything up, he did none of this. Neither of us is very good at it but I do it for the kids. I said to him before new year, this particular set up is your job (I’d reached the end of my mental load present tether and wanted him to step up frankly). He still hadn’t done it this morning so I did it. It made me so cross because, for me, it represented everything - every meal this holiday that I organised, every wash I’ve put on, every pile of crap he’s walked past and I’ve dealt with Instead, every job I’ve done that he hasn’t seen. He escapes to the garden to do work which I don’t think it essential (he says it is but he always takes the radio and listens to the sport so it’s definitely a manoeuvre too) and ducks out of the important stuff like what to feed the kids. I’m also becoming resentful about the gift thing at Christmas because although he had no time before Christmas, he did go to the gym etc, and now that I’m cross with him I’m thinking that he should have bloody taken an hour of time and bought me a bloody present which he had actually thought about himself. I know this last bit is unreasonable as I told him it was totally fine and he took me at my word. but I’m so cross about everything else that it’s colouring my view of everything to be honest.

He doesn’t do nothing. He does do bath time and supervises teeth in the evenings ( I had to say last year that taking a paper in wasn’t appropriate when he hadn’t seen his kids all day, I had to say that they were quite good fun to talk to and it was important they see him being interested in what they say). He has taken them swimming today and does so every Saturday (he swims lengths while they are in lessons, that’s the incentive I think). So he’s not completely useless but It’s a mental load thing. Aibu though to want to divide up the mental load stuff more when there are two of us around? I’ve told him I want to talk later and this is my plan:

He needs to take half ish of the mental weekend load. that means he organises food for the weekend in its entirety as I do the working week. If he plans it ahead of time I will shop for it (incentive to plan ahead there but I know he won’t) but otherwise it’s his job to shop for the ingredients too. And that includes kids lunches as well which are easy peasy. For the whole weekend. I also want to say he needs to actively look for jobs like putting the washing on/away, bedsheets, tidying etc at the weekends when there are two of us here. Finally, I want to say we get a gardener to do the jobs he does at the weekends/holidays - I genuinely think it’s a cop out manoeuvre and I want to stop ducking out of family life. He says the gardening is a pleasure for him, which is fine but not if it’s at the expense of leaving me inside to sort out every meal/homework/washing/life while He trims trees.

Is this a reasonable Plan? Even if it’s not i feel so much better just writing that out. Sorry it’s long.

OP posts:
PapreeeekaPringle · 04/01/2020 22:48

Hoover the family room on saturday morning

If I were working long hours and earning a massive salary, I wouldn't be hoovering on a weekend. OP doesn't want a cleaner more than once a week but maybe her DH does. The cleaner could get all the laundry done and clean bedding on the beds on Friday and do the bleeding hoovering. Then maybe the family could do something FUN at the weekend. Go out for lunch rather than fuming because he doesn't scramble some eggs.

I don't get all this "mental load" tosh. Check your privilege, OP - it's not like you're living on Universal Credits or have an abusive husband. I hate gardening and football but if you were nagging me the way you nag your DH, I'd be taking myself off to the potting shed with me wireless.

minipie · 04/01/2020 22:49

Similar to Stopgap here, I’m a SAHM and DH works in a Big Job but he still manages to do a fair few domestic tasks when he’s home.

He gives the DC breakfast every day which ensures he sees them. Gets home for 1-2 bedtimes per week. Takes them to their weekend activities. Cooks us dinner (me & him) 90% of the time. Makes weekend lunches. Will unload the dishwasher if needs it, will put it on if needs it. Will tidy.

I can’t get him to do or think about anything that isn’t immediately necessary and obvious, so I get him to do the immediate and obvious stuff (eg get DC to brush teeth, clear up lunch) while I do anything involving forward planning or careful choosing/thinking. It’s a bit annoying to be the only one doing the thinking and remembering stuff, but a hell of a lot better than him doing nothing.

This approach also means he deals more with the DC at weekends while I use the time to get on with longer term stuff - so he sees more of them then.

PapreeeekaPringle · 04/01/2020 22:54

it was because he was shown to be utterly shit at the parenting stuff in front of the whole family and it was gut wrenching

Your family sound like arseholes.

SmellyBeard · 04/01/2020 22:54

IMO the only way is to find out the things he cares about in his life and to stop doing them as he won't want to lose these.

For example, my partner loves to cook and have a nice evening meal. I couldn't give a fig about cooking and am happy to either pick or scramble something easy together for both me and my DD. He can't bear this though so as a result we get a lovely evening meal every night - thought out, bought and prepared by him. I literally never think about meals unless he asks me to buy something specific.

On the other hand I care about other things so these will automatically end up being my responsibility as he doesn't even notice them. And because I care about them I also care about how they are done and the end result so anything less than my standards being met annoys me!!!

BlokeNumber9 · 04/01/2020 23:09

OP, everything you write is about what you want.
Have you asked your husband about any of it?
Darling, I want to be a SAHM, are you happy with that?'' Well actually darling it's making you into rather a dull person, can't we hire people to deal with the drudgery while you go back to your career and being the exciting and interesting person I fell in love with and married? And I believe that the children would love it too.''

Shoxfordian · 04/01/2020 23:19

You're contradicting yourself saying he's kind but selfish and thoughtless. Can't be both.
Sounds like a useless twat to me.

PapreeeekaPringle · 04/01/2020 23:20

The OP isn't a SAHM - she fits in work around the children and there's nothing wrong with that.

go back to your career and being the exciting and interesting person I fell in love with and married? And I believe that the children would love it too

You don't need a career to be exciting and interesting - OP just needs to lay off mithering. And kids like having at least one parent around.

Riv · 04/01/2020 23:39

Maybe he needs to read that blog article that is often advised on threads like this. It’s by a man who realises AFTER his divorce how failing to pull his weight was so disrespectful of his partner.
Hopefully someone can post a link? It’s something like “you must be this tall to ride”.

Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 23:43

Bloke - I am not a bloody SAHM - I work!!!

OP posts:
Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 23:44

Sorry papree - you had me there already - thank you.

OP posts:
Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 23:45

Riv- ooh that sounds good?

OP posts:
Dividingthementalload · 04/01/2020 23:56

Quick update: long talk tonight. He accepts he’s been a total selfish shit and up his own professional arse (his words). I think me saying I’m peri and consequently all understanding and patience is gone - it’s do or die for our marriage - gave him a real shock. I said I would not bring our kids up to see the female side of a relationship modelled in such a way. I’d rather out than have that. He was genuinely at a loss when I asked him if he could remember doing anything thoughtful for me ever : he couldn’t remember anything. I think that shocked him too. I said competent, professional women need looking after sometimes too. He said he didn’t want to be the parent who was overlooked in the kitchen when his kid fell over and climbed three flights of stairs for a cuddle from mummy (that happened today).

So, gardening agreed. Extra cleaner agreed. Not opting out into the garden with the radio agreed (though he can of course do both, just not as an escape from parenting or family). He is going to take over responsibility for parenting stuff at weekends (his idea) so that’s food, clothes etc. I will help of course but he will take the lead and ask all of us qs so he learns the ropes. He said hes going to think of other stuff too. He’s done everything today and just brought me a drink up which he has never done I’m 15 years so that’s penitence. He’s said he’s going to dial back on work too - he’s see colleagues disappearing up their own arses and hadn’t realised that he had done the sane thing. I think he’s embarrassed to be honest.

Message received. Just need to get the plan In motion and keep it up. Thank you so much mumsnettwrs for supporting me through today. I won’t bad mouth him in real life so this thread was a lifeline and Has resulted in a potentially life changing and marriage saving conversation. So thank you.

OP posts:
olivertwistwantsmore · 04/01/2020 23:56

He's not a kind person. He's a monumental selfish person who can't even be arsed to buy you a Christmas present or learn what his kids like or ask how you're feeling or even speak to his kids.

Everything he does - everything - is based around what he wants to do: swimming, gardening, work.

You basically facilitate his life and he does fuck all.

Where's his incentive to change? He plainly doesn't give enough of a shit about you or the dc to lean how to look after you or care for you.

Riv · 05/01/2020 00:01

You also need to concentrate on the positive things he is doing- you say he doesn’t but then contradict yourself. He probably doesn’t do enough, but he does something!
For example, he took the washing out this morning. OK he didn’t then put on an urgent wash- but he DID take out the load that was in.
Maybe you can do some of the mental load together, at least to start with? You don’t have the financial constraints, but maybe do some outline meal planning together, then you shop for them and whoever is cooking/ preparing knows exactly what to do without having to think on the spot.
Maybe a similar one for regular housework like housemates do, laminated on the fridge, jobs crossed off when done each week so it’s clear what still needs doing so you can both refer to it ... saves you telling him and it’s also clear what you have done.
Maybe he could teach the girls about gardening at the weekend as that’s what he enjoys? Give them a little plot to play in the mud and watch seeds or bulbs they plant grow?
And definitely plan some family together time for the weekends! That way you both get to enjoy the girls together and he will learn from you and from experience just how much fun family life can be.

Dividingthementalload · 05/01/2020 00:02

Hoping things will change Oliver! He is selfish for sure but he isn’t malicious, he wouldn’t ever do anything purposely to hurt someone. That counts for a lot.

But much must change for sure.

OP posts:
Riv · 05/01/2020 00:06

Flowers well done with the update! Glad he’s seeing the problem. Just need to support him to see it through!

olivertwistwantsmore · 05/01/2020 00:11

Oops, @dividingthementalload, didn't see your update before posting!

That all sounds very positive but tbh if you're in a relationship where he hasn't brought you a hot drink in 15 years then your bar is set bloody low and he will find it hard to change the habits of a lifetime.

But I hope he does, for your sake.

ssd · 05/01/2020 00:13

He sounds a PITA. but a typical PITA.

Dh doesn't see stuff. I shoulder the mental load. He's done loads with the dcs when they were younger, as they all share the same hobby. He does a lot in the house. He won't earn a 5th of what your dh gets. But the mental load thing still plusses me off.

Daisyourslives · 05/01/2020 00:24

Voted yabu

He won’t change. You are too capable and if you dropped dead tomorrow your dc would simply struggle and hopefully others would step in.

I would just hire help, his salary should take care of his side of things in terms of housework with regards to cleaners.

Popuppippa · 05/01/2020 00:30

"Everything he does - everything - is based around what he wants to do: swimming, gardening, work."

Sounds pretty efficient to me - play to your strengths and all that.

"You basically facilitate his life and he does fuck all."

Well, apart from earn shed loads of money working a 90 hour week, including travelling plus all the activities/household stuff the OP has listed.

I don't get this mental load stuff either - especially when there is money available to oil the wheels. Why do you need to have your husband work extremely long hours all week doing the 'mental load' at work and then come home and commit to a laundry list of household chores (that could easily be offloaded) to prove himself yet again.

He could quite legitimately say couldn't you be a bit more organised with your time, be more efficient, do x, y and z but he hasn't.

CustardDream · 05/01/2020 00:35

He has a massive job, loads of travel and rarely there in the week. Very hardworking, very long days, rarely whinges.

Are you sure he doesn't have any mental load, because the above sounds quite stressful? Could it be that he just deals with it well, or even that he hides it to avoid stressing you out further? (I don't mean this nastily).

Weenurse · 05/01/2020 00:36

Good luck, sounds like talk went well.

ssd · 05/01/2020 00:36

Yes I agree, if you have the money you might have the mental load but no need for all the childcare and cleaning etcetc

Kerning · 05/01/2020 00:41

Hope things work out for you OP, thanks for the update.

Kerning · 05/01/2020 00:51

This is the article Riv is referring to:

mustbethistalltoride.com/2016/01/14/she-divorced-me-because-i-left-dishes-by-the-sink/