VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her

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I posted in a thread after the Prince Andrew interview, and although I didn’t believe him about everything he said, I wasn’t wholly convinced at that time that he was lying about sleeping with young girls, about seeing things in Epstein’s houses that should have repelled him, about having sex with Virginia Roberts in particular. I just didn’t think there was certainty to be had.

I am convinced now. I believed every word she was allowed to say last night and I am only sad they didn’t give her more air time. Prince Andrew has very serious questions to answer.

thanks to the poster up thread who mentioned the Epstein episodes in this podcast series
wondery.com/shows/real-crime-profile/
I've just started listening and I'm finding it very interesting

When I say precarious I mean...well I mean precarious!!
She's in a very risky situation who can she trust, the people have something to gain from protecting her may have just as much to gain from turning her in, there must be a lot of people who feel they can never sleep easy until they know she's dead

Yes, her freedom, her life even, she cannot take either for granted.

If you live a completely corrupt life your best option is to just fade away and hope no one thinks you're important or cares what you're up to
Her situation is the complete obverse of this

I don't think Ghislaine is 'hiding' any where. She's just carrying on with life.

Jimmy savile (I appreciate that evoking his name has become a bit like a version of the Godwin's law thing when you mention the Nazis) but anyway Jimmy savile only just managed to pull it off and died before he was completely exposed but that was way back when, before stuff started coming out, before me too, before we understood how these things work
The times when predators such as these can hope to die in their sleep with their fingers crossed having reached an advanced age, those times are over now
We looked under the rocks and we know how they operate

She’s probably been salting money away for years in preparation. Like a Nazi on the run.

Well her father would have had some tips, I'm sure ....

I don't think Ghislaine is 'hiding' any where. She's just carrying on with life.

What life though? From the accounts we’re being given, her life is all about social circles, parties and networking. I would guess that her social currency is at an all time low at the moment. Not many people will be wanting her around them right now.

New York Post believe she's in Brazil.

What surprised me was hearing that VR has already- some time back- sold her story for $150000 to a US newspaper. That surely will stop any court proceedings that may have been in her favour?

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I don't think Ghislaine is 'hiding' any where. She's just carrying on with life.

The most damning evidence that she is in hiding is that she has closed her organisation TerraMar a week after charges were brought against Epstein in July 2019. She was supposedly passionate about the ocean but it’s all gone pffft. Her life’s work my arse. It was probably for tax purposes.

@JingleHellsBells

She also received millions after suing GM in 2015 (Miami Herald link posted up thread). I don’t think this is about the money.

Ghislaine probably considered herself dirt poor after her father died. Such were the lengths to make a living, she did it off those children’s backs much like her dad did off of pensions.

She could well be in hiding. PA will know where she is, a lot of people will. They need to know she is somewhere quiet, staying quiet herself. If she goes down the whole house of cards goes with her. That’s enough to keep her hiding place a secret.

For all we know, VR is part of the ring like Maxwell was and is a prop to distract everyone's attention away from the serious shit like men abusing young girls, like really young. What does a paedophile want with a 17 year old? My guess is she was there as a distraction, to make it look like these guys were simply recruiting young (but not underage) girls and she was asked to sleep with various famous men and photos were taken for blackmail or blame later on and this is what is happening now. JE gave the signal to VR to hand the photo out and make it look like something a bit more innocent than it was to distract the media and officials from the real situation, a paedophile and human trafficking ring but of young, really young girls.

She looks like a liar, PA definitely slept with her but I don't think he knew what the whole situation was and was merely a prop to use later as a distraction/blackmail aid. Her stance is not to help anyone else that these men may have abused, it's all about creating this theory that I feel she has signed up to be part of creating to hide the real truth. JE was probably getting death threats left, right and centre because who wants to be found out as a paedophile? So the plan was he would do away with himself and VR would keep up the pretense that this ring wasn't as bad as it really was.

So my theory is she was recruited as a distraction/member of this rather than recruited as someone to abuse. I don't believe she is skint or ever lived in a trailer either and if she was an abuse victim of this huge ring, she'd never make herself publicly known out of fear but rather she is making herself publicly known to lay the blame at probably the least guilty members of this whole thing.

You've got to wonder why a woman is going after a man she slept with at 17 years old rather than the man that abused her at 7 years old, the men that recruited her as a sex slave and why she is being very vague about everything else that went on and about JE as well. It's also very convenient that it happened in the UK where the legal age is 16 so PA wouldn't face criminal charges but would act as a very good distraction to the media, officials and the public. It just all seems very odd to me

nah, I dont buy your theory Jennifer...you'll have to do much better than that

@MinervaSaidThat She also received millions after suing GM in 2015 (Miami Herald link posted up thread). I don’t think this is about the money
You are missing the point. If she has taken money it could be viewed against her in court, as it looks as if she was accusing someone for money. Even if she isn't, she still should not have taken money for something that may go to court and is still - legally- speculation.

No, I get your point but taking money doesn't mean you can't file charges. It also depends on what she is received money for and what she is filing charges for now.

Giuffre sued GM for defamation because GM called her a liar. The case was settled in VG’s favour. Why shouldn’t she accept damages for that?

@JenniferM1989 Why not read up on the case instead of inventing your own?

@JenniferM1989 Please take off your tinfoil hat and read some of the Miami Herald article posted above about how many victims there were. This isn't one woman's word, and Virginia Giuffre's story matches the stories of the dozens of other schoolgirl victims.

The police tracked down 80 victims for the court case alone.

*the first court case.

listening to this podcast wondery.com/shows/real-crime-profile/# (Forensically Deconstructing Jeffrey Epstein Part 3- approx 23 mins in) and they discuss that Epstein and some other men involved had a deformed/micro penis, apparently it was mentioned in the testimony of several victims, I'd not heard it mentioned though?

Goodness me Rhino, how charming :-).

The only thing I heard was that someone said JE's penis was like an egg . I thought they shouldn't shout about it or everyone will want one :-). Weird.

Yep there’s that clip of JE being all smug in the police interview until the officer mentions god or is, at which points JE gets up to leave in a huff.