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VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 07:05

I posted in a thread after the Prince Andrew interview, and although I didn’t believe him about everything he said, I wasn’t wholly convinced at that time that he was lying about sleeping with young girls, about seeing things in Epstein’s houses that should have repelled him, about having sex with Virginia Roberts in particular. I just didn’t think there was certainty to be had.

I am convinced now. I believed every word she was allowed to say last night and I am only sad they didn’t give her more air time. Prince Andrew has very serious questions to answer.

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CodenameVillanelle · 03/12/2019 08:07

Age of consent is 16 isn't it? A 17 year old isn't underage. I am not saying it's morally right at all

She was trafficked and coerced. At the age of 17, how could she have said no under those circumstances? Consent isn't a matter of just not saying no. It's contextual.

Blueglaze · 03/12/2019 08:07

To the pp asking where her parents were, I believe she was abused from a young age and spent time in care. And to the pp who is questioning the age of consent - if someone is trafficked then their age is irrelevant, it’s a crime regardless. I believe her.

KaptainKaveman · 03/12/2019 08:07

Zebras good point about the parents, but it seems that often parents are complicit in this sort of celebrity abuse. The kids abused by Michael Jackson were pretty much handed to him on a plate by their parents Sad.

newdeer · 03/12/2019 08:08

There's no doubt at all. The basic facts are that he willingly and regularly consorted with a known paedophile with criminal convictions for his behaviour. Would you? Why not? He did. Why?
In that interview, the most creepy thing he said was that he had a natural tendency to be too honourable. No honourable person would ever say that. Only someone with a grossly inflated sense of their own worth would say that.

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Blueglaze · 03/12/2019 08:11

but if it were with someone that wasn't rich and famous she'd have moved on by now

Wtf?!

Dongdingdong · 03/12/2019 08:13

I genuinely worry that the TV interviews could damage the chances of a conviction.

If she hadn’t kept talking to the media and appeared on TV this would have been quietly swept under the carpet by now. Good on her for keeping the pressure up on the royal family and the dreadful Prince Andrew I say.

IHateBlueLights · 03/12/2019 08:13

I seem to have been watching a different woman. Didn't believe a word.

I can't stand Andrew and I'm a republican but it was obvious to me that she was lying. I do think she may have come to believe her own lies and exaggerations.

A very disturbed and unhappy woman, being exploited by others and unable to see it.

ItCouldHaveBeenMeCouldNotHaha · 03/12/2019 08:13

I didn't realise she was trafficked, that obviously changes everything.

Whiskers14 · 03/12/2019 08:14

Where is Ghislaine?

I suspect she's cut a deal with the FBI – immunity in return for supplying evidence against PA and others. This morning a newspaper has published an email PA sent to her when news broke that Virginia was accusing JE of trafficking her. Now where's that suddenly come from, I wonder?

Pinkypie86 · 03/12/2019 08:14

Haven't been following closely but, I do like a good Panorama debate.

PA is lying, why would he even entertain going back there when JE had been released? To tell him he didn't want to be friends? Get a loan for Fergie? Make sure his ass was covered? Hmmm..

He was so unconvincing it made me squirm.
I didn't like the fact she cried due to PA being a member of the Royal Family and she says she never would have thought it from someone like that? Eh? But, everyone else who touched her, abused her and so on - they were ok?
She comes across as now trying to blame everyone else for her actions. Granted she clearly had no where to really go, no loving home or people who cared too much but, she has a vendetta now and that's dangerous!

PA needs to now help the FBI, IMO.
It will all be silenced, it always has been that way. Money and Status = Silence.

Sparklybaublefest · 03/12/2019 08:16

I hate the clip of her asking the British people to back her

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 08:16

Pinkypie86

Would it not shock you more (as a 17 year old) that a person so privileged, with such a managed public image, turned out actually to be a giant creep?

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Verily1 · 03/12/2019 08:17

I believe her

YouSawThePlans · 03/12/2019 08:17

I've always believed VG but I also think Prince Andrew doesn't remember her.

Norway's Crown Princess has now admitted to meeting Epstein numerous times after he was convicted too. It will be interesting if the high-profile Americans who were friends with Epstein and travelled with him, will be subjected to the same scrutiny. I think it's absolutely correct that our media focus on Prince Andrew but I think the US media should be holding their rich and powerful to account. This shouldn't be a whitewash anywhere.

Frenchw1fe · 03/12/2019 08:19

Epstein was a paedophile.

PA is dodgy imo.

VG is dodgy imo.
Don't know what to believe.

BigFatLiar · 03/12/2019 08:20

The problem with this is people require no proof as they believe what they want to believe. True or not all she has to be is more convincing than PA and most people wouldn't believe him whatever proof he had as they've already got him guilty.

Wildorchidz · 03/12/2019 08:20

VG is dodgy imo.

No. She is not. She was 17.

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 08:22

Well, I certainly didn’t believe the accusations against him outright. I waited to make a judgment until I had heard both sides. And if Andrew had proof that what he claimed about the impossibility of this being true was accurate, I believe we would have seen it by now.

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Puppytooth · 03/12/2019 08:23

“In that interview, the most creepy thing he said was that he had a natural tendency to be too honourable.”

Sorry I haven’t watched the interview - I think it would turn my stomach. But in exactly what context was he calling himself honourable?? That he was mates with a pervert of the highest order?

ZebrasAreHorsesInPyjamas · 03/12/2019 08:23

@churchandstate
She says she was abused from a young age. She says her life at home was unbearable. I’m not sure she needs to justify it beyond that - it doesn’t change what PA did or didn’t do.

I did say I may have missed something. And where on earth did I say she needed to justify anything or that it changed what PA did or didn't do? Neither of those things has anything to do with what I was asking! Confused

Frenchw1fe · 03/12/2019 08:23

I'm referring to how she comes over now.
I honestly don't know who to believe.

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 08:24

ZebrasAreHorsesInPyjamas

What I mean is, I don’t believe it’s relevant to this issue why her parents allowed this to happen.

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Pinkypie86 · 03/12/2019 08:24

@churchandstate

Erm, No.
Having GM and JE all over me, teaching me massage and telling me who to 'look after' would be equally as bad.
Wouldn't it?

I said to my DP last night that surely it doesn't matter who it is? I understand that it isn't 'expected' from higher up in the food chain - but, that's where it happens the most? Isn't it?
I just think the crying at that specific moment did her no favours.

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 08:25

I think the creepiest thing he said was that he didn’t regret the association with a major sex offender because he had benefited from it in other ways.

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