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VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 07:05

I posted in a thread after the Prince Andrew interview, and although I didn’t believe him about everything he said, I wasn’t wholly convinced at that time that he was lying about sleeping with young girls, about seeing things in Epstein’s houses that should have repelled him, about having sex with Virginia Roberts in particular. I just didn’t think there was certainty to be had.

I am convinced now. I believed every word she was allowed to say last night and I am only sad they didn’t give her more air time. Prince Andrew has very serious questions to answer.

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SerendipityJane · 05/12/2019 17:39

The point is, had they not been "brown" (as a PP described them defensively), the whole foul, obscene, situation would have been investigated and have been dealt with much, much sooner

Like Fred West ?

bigjambun · 05/12/2019 17:39

You know what, if there is a rape allegation, so what? Wnat do you think would happen in this country now? If there was a rape allegation. Not much, probably.

RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 17:41

So there is no misogyny in the developed world? You are a fool
you seem to have missed my point, apologies if my elucidation was inadequate
or maybe it wasnt and you are the fool :o

bigjambun · 05/12/2019 17:45

Not the fuck much would happen because it is not a priority with the government.

bigjambun · 05/12/2019 17:54

Crack the fuck on to it. The CPS is shit. The Government is shit. Down with the fucking patriachy. Support women who are speaking out. Hell, why would you not?

ohprettybaby · 05/12/2019 17:55

Is it down to government though? Haven't reports been made to Scotland Yard - what the hell have they done about the allegations? We should be 'up in arms' (not literally) at them. Finding out who has done (or not done) what about this.

Why hasn't someone involved made a complaint to the police authority about the lack of investigation? Daily Mail seem to be all over the PA story now. Why don't they campaign to get it investigated thoroughly?

Genevieva · 05/12/2019 17:56

I think Prince Andrew is a sordid philanderer who should have been reigned in along time ago. That doesn't make him a rapist or a criminal, but it does make him unfit for the many public offices he has accumulated.

Quite how Epstein made so much money, became so well connected and was able to carry on in this way under everyone's noses is the bigger mystery though. I simply don't believe he made all his wealth legitimately and I think there are many other men who associated with Epstein who have behaved as badly as Prince Andrew - they are just less well known so don't get the media headlines.

bigjambun · 05/12/2019 18:05

Where do you draw the line between sordid philanderer and abuser?

RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 18:05

I think there are lot's of 'too big to fail' people tangled up in Epstein's ghastly web

Lizzie0869 · 05/12/2019 18:19

I'm afraid I do think PA is an abuser, he's a friend of a paedophile and he had sex with a girl who was trafficked. Sorry but that's how it is. Men from all walks of life are sex abusers.

SlightlyBonkersQFA · 05/12/2019 18:21

I agree with that. Privilege, connections, wealth, entitlement, Title .. none of those make it less likely.

MinervaSaidThat · 05/12/2019 18:41

They targeted vulnerable girls from a different (white) ethnic group who they regarded as having no value.

Except the judge who ruled over the case said ‘victims not targeted 'because of their race, but because they were young, impressionable, naive and vulnerable'

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/newcastle-grooming-gang-asian-white-girls-not-targeted-race-judge-court-sentencing-rape-sexual-a7931276.html%3famp

Genevieva · 05/12/2019 18:52

@bigjambun it is a difficult one, but probably where possible criminal charges have been identified. Philandering is a moral issue that makes someone unfit for the privilege of holding public appointments, like being a charity ambassador. Abuse is illegal. For now, I would say the jury is out on whether he is an abuser. He and everyone else associated with Epstein should expect every stone in this case to be turned over and everything underneath to be inspected.

RhinoskinhaveI · 05/12/2019 19:17

He and everyone else associated with Epstein should expect every stone in this case to be turned over and everything underneath to be inspected
many of the creatures lurking under the stones are people in positions of power and influence, they will use said power and influence to protect themselves
the people at the top who decide who and what gets investigated are the very people hiding under the stone, busily making sure they never get exposed to the light

ChristmasAngst · 05/12/2019 19:37

We will never get to the bottom of what PA has done, but this is the long and short of it and why he should just go and not come back.

but it does make him unfit for the many public offices he has accumulated

TatianaLarina · 05/12/2019 20:05

Having now watched the C4 documentary on JE, VG’s interview and interviews with other girls in the US, I don’t doubt PA was involved in abuse.

According to VG she was not the only one of JE’s girls he slept with. Equally the housekeeper at JE’s Palm Beach house said PA had daily massages for the time he stayed, and he visited 3 or 4 times. From the testimony of the girls we know massages often didn’t end at massage.

JE’s entire life revolved around abuse. Staying with him you couldn’t fail to see the constant stream of underage girls to and from the house - several every day, even the neighbours knew.

ohprettybaby · 05/12/2019 21:14

Let us all hope that ALL the sealed court papers from Epstein's case plus any sealed in Guiffre v Maxwell's defamation case are published and soon. That way pressure can be put on the US judiciary system to really do something about getting to the bottom of this.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/12/2019 08:41

Yes you can, it was from a parody article.

LOL! Thank you, Minerva

I shall wipe the egg off my face straight away.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/12/2019 08:44

Except the judge who ruled over the case said ‘victims not targeted 'because of their race, but because they were young, impressionable, naive and vulnerable'

That was the judge's opinion. He may or may not have been right.

The Fred and Rosemary West was a different situation altogether Serendipity.

SerendipityJane · 06/12/2019 10:03

Philandering is a moral issue that makes someone unfit for the privilege of holding public appointments, like being a charity ambassador.

But not Prime Minister

SerendipityJane · 06/12/2019 10:05

Let us all hope that ALL the sealed court papers from Epstein's case plus any sealed in Guiffre v Maxwell's defamation case are published and soon.

Didn't GM have until yesterday to file any motion to suppress ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7709875/Ghislaine-Maxwell-demands-time-block-release-names.html

Lizzie0869 · 06/12/2019 10:24

Philandering is a moral issue that makes someone unfit for the privilege of holding public appointments, like being a charity ambassador.

'But not Prime Minister'

Or US President for that matter.

But this isn't even about philandering, it's about the fact that JE is a prolific sex abuser and PA joined in. He doesn't even regret the friendship.

SerendipityJane · 06/12/2019 10:32

Except the judge who ruled over the case said ‘victims not targeted 'because of their race, but because they were young, impressionable, naive and vulnerable' ... That was the judge's opinion. He may or may not have been right.

The Fred and Rosemary West was a different situation altogether Serendipity.

from Wiki

One theory which may explain the sudden lull in the frequency of their murders is the fact that by the mid-1970s, the Wests had begun a practice of befriending teenage girls from nearby care homes, many of whom they sexually abused, with others encouraged to engage in prostitution within their home

Sounds like they also targeted girls because they were young and vulnerable regardless ....

andyoldlabour · 06/12/2019 11:18

"I'm afraid I do think PA is an abuser, he's a friend of a paedophile and he had sex with a girl who was trafficked. Sorry but that's how it is. Men from all walks of life are sex abusers."

Yes Lizzie, that has summed it up in a nutshell, a paedophile who supplied the rich and famous with underage girls, who were basically kept as sex slaves.
Anyone involved with that was a criminal.
The girls were victims.

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