To think it's not fair transwomen get hair removal on the NHS but women with PCOS don't?! **Title edited by MNHQ**

[newyeardontcare]

This is quite frankly bullshit.

Are you absolutely sure about that? No expert but google suggests different

No one can be that stupid. It simply isn’t possible.

Male human beings do not give birth.

I care not one iota about anyone’s feelings on biology. I care about the facts of biology, which do not change to suit you.

From Eden. Certainly. I just googled could trans woman give birth. Mrs Ariadne Oliver. Perhaps you might care to google too. Looks like 'end of' might be speaking a little too soon

I don't need to Google anything. A trans woman , aka a biological male, has never given birth and is not likely to any time in the forseeable future. No one is that stupid to think otherwise. Delusional or just trolling, maybe...

No such thing as a trans woman I’m afraid. No such biological entity. We have two. Male and female. And very, very occasionaly - intersex. No need for Google - I’m a sane person with a rational mind.

Live as a man or woman, have kids or not, do whatever you want, live your life, I don’t care. But men are male, women are female.

From Eden. Please google. You are wrong

Are you absolutely sure about that? No expert but google suggests different

This cannot be real

Please tell me I misread this somehow, and you are not claiming that a male (even just one...) has given birth and google has examples?!

Unless we are fallin for the 'amazing, MAN gives birth' stories. Which obviously, always turn out to be female people, as male people have never ever given birth.

And I resent the trolling suggestion especially when you're arrogant enough to say you don't need to google. So much for these 'facts' you rest your case on. If you think I'm a troll report me but feeling strongly about transphobia and trying to. Discredit what I see as transphobia does not make me a troll thank you very much

I said 'trans woman.' Why have you changed that to 'male' you really are determined to equate trans woman and male aren't you. Why?!!!

It does not make someone arrogant to say they do not need to google when the topic is is a male person has ever given birth

Transwomen are male. They are male people who identify as female.

Oddly enough, biology cares not a jot about ones feelings, which is why no male has ever given birth.

I did not say a male person has given birth. I said a trans woman. It's your narrow mind that converted trans woman to male without even realising you'd done it

You do realise you're denying the existence of a group of people here? Invalidating them

Acknowledging that transwomen are male people with female identities does not mean I think transwomen do not exist at all. Thats ridiculous.

And my narrow mind absolutely did realise I had 'converted' transwoman into male, when discussing which sex gives birth. I would be rather dim not to 'convert' in such a manner when talking of stuff that only one sex CAN do.

I'm confused...does janet think that transwomen can give
birth?

Surely no amount of googling will turn up a transwoman who has given birth....

Perhaps I used wrong word with 'ex istence' 'invalidating' gets over more of what I mean

You do realise you're denying the existence of a group of people here? Invalidating them

So when a human being claims they’re a bird - are we supposed to take them at their word? Just because they feel like one?

I don’t deny their existence. Of course they exist. As a human being, born either male of female.

Science and facts don’t care about your feelings. Truth is truth regardless of whether you like it or not

I am unsure if janet thinks transwomen are actually transmen...or what. But I feel I have upset them enough with my grasp of biology and its after 3am, so I will bow out now. Hopefully there will be some advanced biology posts on here by morning that explain to dimwits like me, exactly how people who are of the male sex (regardless of inner identity) can give birth. I could do with some education so welcome such posts.

Well it may one day be possible to do womb transplants in to male bodies...but not yet....

@M3lon

I sincerely hope that never happens. Just because we can do things, it doesn’t mean we should. Anyway, it wouldn’t change natural law!

Has anyone actually googled yet? Happy to accept being called stupid etc if I imagined or misread or skim read too quickly

@Janettomas

You’re asking folks to Google. I’ll ask you this question:

When a human being claims they’re a bird - are we supposed to take them at their word? Just because they feel like one?

yes I have googled....its not been done..nor likely to in the near future.

It might be one day...

I mean, I might have missed it...so if you found a link then do share...