To think it's not fair transwomen get hair removal on the NHS but women with PCOS don't?! **Title edited by MNHQ**

[newyeardontcare]

This is quite frankly bullshit.

The NHS don't treat varicose veins because they are 'cosmetic' even though they are excruciatingly painful and often cause pain even when they are not visible. As the only reason for transgender hair removal is cosmetic, I am not sure how the NHS can justify it.

It was a few years ago (I think 2012). I don’t know whether they still offer it but I hope they still do because it’s great for people with hormonal problems that would benefit. There was a pretty long waiting list at the time.

The entitlement of them, if women have excess hair, we have to go privately, I suggest this person does, why is the NHS seen as a bottomless pot for everyone's non emergency treatment.

Disgusted at how anti trans Mumsnet is. Past being shocked at the hostility now. Are you aware of the prevalence of suicide and mental health issues in this group. Have a bit of compassion if nothing else mumsnetters please

Aero- the NHS has never just been for emergency treatment though. Having a hearing aid is not an emergency for example but is available on the NHS. A huge amount of the treatment available is not considered emergency. One person’s essential treatment may be seen as excessive to someone that hasn’t experienced the exact problem though.

Beansandcoffee

tillytrotter1 said "The NHS shouldn't be dealing with any of this, it was designed to cure illness, it's the reason that the NHS is allegedly short of money."

Obviously implying that both trans people and women who are able to get hair removal on the NHS are the reason the NHS is short of money.

Very unfair, but fairly usual in todays climate. Fuck women.

But pcos suffers aren’t represented by aggressive pressure groups

And yes, this is exactly why. Maybe other groups should start using the tactics TRAs use. Seems to be effective, can't see it working for women though somehow.

Of course they're linked. If hair removal is a legitimate treatment according to the NHS why to one group and not another?

But it’s not an either / or, so why tie treatment for PCOS women to treatment for trans women? They’re both perfectly valid groups who should both get treatment.
They are tied together because it is the same treatment for the same physical issue.
You may think they are both valid groups who should get treatment. Clearly not everyone agrees with that. Some people think both should be funded, some people think neither should be funded. Both of those can be seen as valid viewpoints. But the idea that one should be funded and one shouldn't, when it is the same issue, is pretty outrageous.

Don't be ridiculous. The NHS is short of money because of horrendous Tory cuts. The state of the government is to blame, not trans people.

PREACH

But the idea that one should be funded and one shouldn't, when it is the same issue, is pretty outrageous.

I said they should both be funded. Surely that’s the only reasonable solution? And if OP agrees, why mention trans women at all? Why bring them into it unless you think they aren’t deserving?

It’s evidence of discrimination against women, as per usual. That why people are upset.

I don’t think anyone should get anything Cosmetic on the NHS save up and pay for yourself, it’s supposed to be there as a life saver not a bloody Salon.

Janettomas
Disgusted at how anti trans Mumsnet is. Past being shocked at the hostility now. Are you aware of the prevalence of suicide and mental health issues in this group. Have a bit of compassion if nothing else mumsnetters please

The Samaritans have asked for people not to keep trotting out the line about trans people and suicide.

Apart from that, threatening suicide if you don't get what you want is EA.

Why mention trans women?

Because a trans woman wants facial hair removal to feel more feminine and a cis woman wants hair removal to feel more feminine,
One is given the treatment for free
The other spends hundreds on products and services.
This is discrimination against cisgender women.
Things that women have had to put up for years, are now not acceptable because trans women are saying its unacceptable.
But no one listened to the cisgender women.

This is sexism. This is putting cisgender women at a medical, emotional, and financial disadvantage in comparison with transgender women.
It seems they want to be accepted as women but they won't represent the interest of cis women.

A hearing aid is essential, as it impacts the person's ability to be independent and their day to day lives. Yet women have excess hair through no fault of their own, have to go private usually, that is not right. As somebody pointed out, they need to have a pressure group behind them.

Buy a NoNo.

Maybe this person should use veet or have waxing like I have to do on my upper lip.

@Janettomas
Disgusted at how anti trans Mumsnet is. Past being shocked at the hostility now. Have a bit of compassion if nothing else mumsnetters please

And women would love to have that same bit of compassion others are demanding.

The NHS shouldn't be dealing with any of this, it was designed to cure illness, it's the reason that the NHS is allegedly short of money

Missing where tilly said trans people are to blams

She is quite correct, the NHS was originally set up for illness

Medically its gone far and beyonf illness now

@pechyderm

It is very relevant to mention trans women because it’s evidence of discrimination against biological women. You’ll be aware lots of people have concerns that the interests of natal women are being treated as subservient to those of trans women. Whether you agree with that or not, within that context it is clearly relevant to raise.

The NHS need a massive overhaul of what’s available and what isn’t - I need enucletion which I can’t have in my area because it’s cosemtic? Yet I have to have eye surgery every 7-8 weeks to stop the excruciating pain I get on my eye which is slowly shrinking. I could have this surgery if I lived in another city though.

There’s lots of stuff that’s not available due to it being a cosmetic reason so I personally don’t believe trans should be allowed hair removal if others aren’t but need it eg those with PCOS

@nailak

I think you mean discrimination against women. Women do not need to be renamed.

A hearing aid is essential, as it impacts the person's ability to be independent and their day to day lives. Yet women have excess hair through no fault of their own, have to go private usually, that is not right. As somebody pointed out, they need to have a pressure group behind them.

Actually, I seem to know a fair few people who need hearing aids for bone fusion etc and they seem to have to go and get their own hearing aids once they are diagnosed.

It seems they want to be accepted as women but they won't represent the interest of cis women.

@nailak AFAIK the word 'cis' is not allowed on MN. Someone may be along to correct me...

Juells . Was unaware about Samaritans asking that. Will look up reasoning behinnd . I was only told of this fact recently and was shocked . Why are people not listening ? What do trans people say about it themselves ( trotting out the suicide line as you call it )
As for your likening this to threatening suicide if you don’t get what you want - beyond belief . All I can say is thank fuck mumsnetters aren’t running the nhs and doctors still get a say . This post is not intended to spark informed debate . It’s yet another attempt by women who should know better to invalidate a highly vulnerable group who’ve already been invalidated and silenced . Shocking