To think it's not fair transwomen get hair removal on the NHS but women with PCOS don't?! **Title edited by MNHQ**

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This is quite frankly bullshit.

If that is accurate, I completely agree.

Women with PCOS should absolutely get hair removal on the NHS (and actually they do in some parts of the UK already) but what in the world does that have to do with transgender women? The two aren’t linked in any way.

women have to pay salons or go private while still getting paid less.

what in the world does that have to do with transgender women? The two aren’t linked in any way.

Perfectly healthy trans women are being given the service for free in order to make them feel more feminine but actual women are being denied the service regardless of the cause or how un-feminine it makes them feel. Do you not see the double standard?

I dont think anyone should get hair removal on the NHS personally.

It’s shit. But pcos suffers aren’t represented by aggressive pressure groups. Helping women with an actual medical conditions had less virtue signalling opportunities.

Some of the hair removal is pre op procedures depending on what and where the op is

@BarbarianMum a woman who is growing a beard has a medical condition that should be treated, and it should be treated on the NHS. I guess you've never had the fun of waking up once a week with a 5 oclock shadow over half your chin have you? 🙄

I agree PCOS hair growth is horrific

Totally agree. Nobody should be getting hair removal (amongst a lot of other things) on the NHS.

The NHS shouldn't be dealing with any of this, it was designed to cure illness, it's the reason that the NHS is allegedly short of money.

Of course they're linked. If hair removal is a legitimate treatment according to the NHS why to one group and not another?

Totally agree!

I think it depends on where you live because you CAN get it on the NHS in my area and to those that are saying it shouldn’t be available have no idea what it is to be a woman suffering with a hormonal problem that causes unwanted facial hair and the affect this may have on their life. It’s not ‘just’ a cosmetic treatment for vanity purposes and the fact that you seem to think it is is ridiculous.

The treatment I was given wasn’t enough to be permanent but lasted for a few years and I felt AMAZING afterwards. Just saved up to start a private course as it’s grown back :(

As an apparent half yeti, I agree it’s unfair. I’m hairier than some men I know!

It’s distressing at times and certainly limits clothes and certain activities (I love swimming but don’t go unless I’ve ^just’ shaved. Even the odd hair is noticeable with dark hair and pale skin - epilation doesn’t get them all!).

But it’s not life threatening, painful or even uncomfortable, therefore I don’t think anyone should be having hair removal on the NHS.

I know there are really strict policies to prevent a blurring of lines between NHS and private but I really wish they could offer some procedures at cost or for a small profit. Hair removal, IVF, cosmetic surgery etc. All of these things and more have huge benefits psychologically.

I agree, although would recommend not reading the daily mail.

The NHS is not a well organisation at the moment - there’s just so much demand for non life saving treatment such as IVF (I’m infertile myself and have no kids before anyone jumps on me), gender surgeries and much more besides. I’m having issues getting painkillers because they cost too much at the moment and I have been given drugs with worse side effects and painful procedures because it was cheaper than similar alternatives (which were cost effective but not whne there was a chance I would die).

But where do you draw the line? PCOS is a horrible thing and causes really difficult side affects. People who are living with facial hair but identify as women must really struggle.

I guess I have splinters - I think we need to seriously look at what the NHS does and does not fund though.

Of course they're linked. If hair removal is a legitimate treatment according to the NHS why to one group and not another?

But it’s not an either / or, so why tie treatment for PCOS women to treatment for trans women? They’re both perfectly valid groups who should both get treatment.

PCOS women aren’t denied hair removal treatments on the NHS because some trans women get it. They aren’t linked in this way.

Maybe it’s not the intention, but when you say things like ‘why should trans women get X when women with PCOS don’t’, it sounds like you are invalidating the right of trans women to access this treatment. There’s no need - it’s perfectly possible to campaign for PCOS women to have access to a treatment without it being at the expense of any other group.

Its the same treatment - so if it is available to one group it should be available to another. Of course it’s tied - it’s the same treatment! Currently the situation is trans women are “worthy” of it but women with PCOS are not? If it’s damaging for a trans woman, the same symptom is just as damaging for a woman.

The NHS shouldn't be dealing with any of this, it was designed to cure illness, it's the reason that the NHS is allegedly short of money.

Don't be ridiculous. The NHS is short of money because of horrendous Tory cuts. The state of the government is to blame, not trans people.

BTW, I don’t have PCOS and I still got treatment so I really think the cause may be irrelevant in some postcodes and this is unfair. It should either be available to all who qualify or not at all.

The cost of paying privately has reduced significantly over the years and is accessible to more people than it probably was at one time.

"Transgenders"? YABU for that turn of phrase alone.

Of course it’s tied.

Biological man no longer wants beard nhs remove his beard.

Biological women doesn’t want beard, hmm check postcode, tough!

It’s sexism but allowed because even though they are biological men we must not ever mention that as they are women now. Not the fact yet again man say I want and man gets listened too and helped while many women are just ignored and fobbed off.

I felt similarly about the transpeople becoming entitled to fertility treatments. You choose to stop your genitals working, you deal with that.

I would like to see a nominal cost for procedures such as this though- maybe a sort of earning up to £20,000 P/A, you pay X, earning up to £30,000 P/A you pay Y.

When and where did you get treatment Angel because it is certainely hasn't been widely available and didn't think it was anywhere in the UK any longer unless in exceptional exceptions.

Enildam

“”The state of the government is to blame, not trans people.””

Nobody said this but you. No one on this thread has said the NHS is in a mess because of trans people - where has anyone said that?