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to think neighbours are cf snobs? Or are we the problem?

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TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:03

Moved into our house 4 years ago. Over time our neighbours on one side have gone from being a bit over-familiar and slightly cf-pisstaking, to being distinctly cold and unfriendly.

We've always chatted to them over the fence/in the street/ at other people's social events. We've invited them to bbqs at our house. We've offered them fruit from our garden. We've been nice to their kids - i.e. interacted with them as human beings with ideas, interests and opinions. We've been openly admiring of one parent's sporting achievements and the other's academic achievements. We've asked their opinions about things they're likely to know about. We've looked after their pets every time they've asked (a lot). I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home, every few weeks for a few years; always had activities, baking, talked to the kids etc.

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense - they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful (even when we felt they had not a clue about our lives). They've kind of taken the piss a bit with the school pickups, never offering any help in return, or any payment. They also wanted to store their (3rd, very large) car on our driveway "since we weren't using the space" - we have one small car. We like having space to use most of our driveway for other things like playing with DS, so we said "that doesn't work for us, sorry, but do come back if you can't find another solution that works". Nothing else was ever said so we assumed their solution was ok.

We went overseas for 6 months recently, and paid the neighbours gardener rates to mow our lawn. We asked well in advance whether that would be something they'd consider, and said it was totally ok if they'd rather not do it as we totally understood if they would rather not spend the time on it. We explained that we were going to get a gardener to do it but figured that the degree of faff in ensuring a gardener was turning up and doing the job, was going to be a bit silly. They said it was totally fine - we paid them before we left - we came home to a well-mowed lawn. We thanked them and gave them presents from overseas, wine and chocolates and a card.

Since that point the relationship seems to have really gone off though. The wife actively avoids talking to us, and is cold, rude and distant to us if involved in a multi-neighbour conversation. The husband is generally more socially competent, so even if he really disliked us would probably be ok to hold a conversation with us, but every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life. The kids are frequently rude (they always have been) but the rudeness is targeted in a way it wasn't before - the parents seem have given the older kid a lot of ammunition of slightly bitchy things to say to us.

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids. DS also goes to the local (rather old fashioned) prep, where he's doing fine, because he can't really cope with the style of teaching at the local state school ("collaborative" - i.e. really loud and noisy and chaotic). We've explained this to the neighbours as a pragmatic choice based on what's right for DS as a child who doesn't deal well with loud environments or stress. They've been very rude about it and told us we aren't educating him to survive in the real world, we're stuffing his head with useless facts and not letting him have a childhood, - and have told other neighbours that there's clearly something wrong with DS and it's no wonder with parents like us.

Are these neighbours just dicks or are we selfish idiots? Or a bit of both?

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sue51 · 01/10/2018 09:11

From what you've said, they're just dicks. Disengage with them.

Laac · 01/10/2018 09:14

Why would you want to be friendly with anyone who told their own kids to "eff off"?

I'd avoid like the plague.

formerbabe · 01/10/2018 09:14

I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home

Why on earth would anyone do this for a neighbour?!

BrightYellowDaffodil · 01/10/2018 09:16

They sound like arseholes. Maybe they’re jealous of you forging your own path regardless of what others think, but they’re arseholes nonetheless. Beyond the necessaries (polite hello etc) I’d ignore them from now on.

itswinetime · 01/10/2018 09:16

Tone of your post sounds like it's you that's looking down on them. But just disengage it doesn't sound like you will view it as a loss

cranberryx · 01/10/2018 09:17

It sounds like "reverse snobbery" to me. You didn't mention a class difference, but the schools and education issue implies there is a slight divide despite the fact you live in the same area.

I would distance myself from them, if I were you. You both sound far too involved for neighbours, the risk from a potential fallout is just too high. Especially if you are doing so many favours for them and receiving nothing in return.

They sound like dicks. I would simply ignore.

AuntBeastie · 01/10/2018 09:18

They sound chippy and difficult. Be polite but don’t engage with them any more than you have to.

NonaGrey · 01/10/2018 09:18

Given everything you’ve said about them they sound pretty horrible.

But it doesn’t matter, you don’t have to be best buddies with your neighbours. Nodding politely as you pass in the driveway is all that’s required.

There’s no need for chatting, discussing your child’s education or socialising at any level.

Nod, polite smile, walk on.

Ixnayonthehombre · 01/10/2018 09:19

Maybe they are annoyed you didn't pay them gardeners rates for doing their lawn, yet you can afford private education for your DS. That's the only thing that is jumping out to me.

Geraldine170 · 01/10/2018 09:19

I think it’s a bit of both. It sounds from what you’ve said that both of you are a bit judgemental of each other’s choices and parenting.

People do pick up on that, look how you’ve picked up on her attitude to your parenting? You probably haven’t been hiding your disdain that well, I think describing their children’s school as chaotic probably didn’t help.

Just avoid them, it sounds like none of you have everything in common and you bitch at each other. You’d all be happier if you left the relationship in the past.

Alpacanorange · 01/10/2018 09:19

They are using you, it’s like a convenience store, over priced and not really their thing but it’s close and easy so they tolerate the place.

TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:19

I started picking up their kids when I worked from home - neighbours always laughed about my "pin money" job - and continued after I stopped working - neighbours are openly disdainful of me being a SAHM. Originally it was to get them through a childcare crisis but it continued long after that was over.

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onalongsabbatical · 01/10/2018 09:21

Ixnayonthehombre the OP specifically says that they DID pay them gardener's rates for the lawn, though.

onalongsabbatical · 01/10/2018 09:22

Yeah, I'd just distance myself. You and they are too different, I think, and it sounds like they are taking the piss in some respects and looking down on you in others.

TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:23

@Ixnayonthehombre We did pay them gardener's rates! I know the going rate both from getting quotes/ very occasionally paying a gardener to fix chaos and from having friends who work as landscape gardeners. So if anything we overpaid by quite a lot given that they weren't doing anything other than lawnmowing once every 4ish weeks.

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elQuintoConyo · 01/10/2018 09:23

Disengage! Move on. You're all very different people.

Be polite - good morning, etc. But that's it. No more favours or expectations.

GabriellaMontez · 01/10/2018 09:24

Why have you been so involved with them if you don't like them?

And they are openly disdainful of you?

Just do polite greetings and live your life.

ittakes2 · 01/10/2018 09:26

Stop doing favours for them - they are taking advantage of you and you are letting them. I think maybe they therefore do not respect you enough.
You sound like a great neighbour and friend though - please don't change who you are and continue to be kind to others. But fill your life with people who appreciate you.
Maybe they did not look after your garden properly for you when you left - and their change in contact is because they feel guilty.

Jakethekid · 01/10/2018 09:26

Reading your post you would have thought these were people you were friends or family with. Who shares so much time and information with people that are purely just neighbours??? Maybe it's just anti social me but friendly hello and goodbye would be enough for me.

WerewolfNumber1 · 01/10/2018 09:27

Just disengage with them.

You’re incompatible socially.

If their children are rude I’d deal with that (eg a firm “that’s rude, it’s not ok to talk to adults like that.”)

Otherwise I’d just avoid them or be polite and a bit distant.

ciderhouserules · 01/10/2018 09:27

Why are you bothering?

Yes it's nice to be friendly and helpful, and for this to be reciprocated when you live so close - but it's not mandatory.

You don't need to discuss parenting, holidays, lifestyle, schooling - just the weather in passing.

Leave them alone, and maybe they'll leave you alone? You don't need more friends like this.

PawsomePugFancier · 01/10/2018 09:28

There's obviously something they haven't said, a different side or take on events. Most of what you are saying is things you just assume, not things that have actually happened. They think you are geeky academics with no sense and they offer advice, could be seen from another viewpoint as you thinking you are above mundane tasks and expect them to help/ dump your problems or drama on them. You say they have no idea about your lives, perhaps they find you stand-offish?

They would obviously describe the parenting in a different way than you. Perhaps they find it rude that you are talking to them and your child interrupts? They obviously don't look down on you for not swearing at your child, can you think of a way to describe the differences in a non-judgemental way?

I don't think either of you in awful or right or wrong, perhaps you aren't natural friends and would have been better suited to polite, essential interactions? Perhaps they are just trying to pull back from the more personal relationship and have found life a little easier while you were away. I'd keep things cordial, like colleagues, but not expect anything more from this relationship. You don't like them, they don't like you but you can all be adults and polite to each other.

ittakes2 · 01/10/2018 09:28

Although sorry can I just add - did you ask them if they were happy to do your lawn and they agreed, or did you just ask it as a favour and paid them the money? I don't like gardening myself and if you asked me to do this - I would probably say I would be delighted to regularly sort out a a gardener for you but I would not want to mow the lawn myself.

TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:28

I guess we felt "it's our first house, we should be good neighbours to model good behaviour for DS and because it's intrinsically a good thing". So we went out of our way to be friendly and helpful. Everyone in this suburb seems fairly engaged with neighbours. The people on the other side know us rather better, but have always been friendly in a much more disengaged way - helping when needed and chatting happily when there's no need for close engagement.

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eddielizzard · 01/10/2018 09:29

Stop the favours. They're being arseholes. And CF's who have no respect for you. What twerps.

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