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to think neighbours are cf snobs? Or are we the problem?

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TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:03

Moved into our house 4 years ago. Over time our neighbours on one side have gone from being a bit over-familiar and slightly cf-pisstaking, to being distinctly cold and unfriendly.

We've always chatted to them over the fence/in the street/ at other people's social events. We've invited them to bbqs at our house. We've offered them fruit from our garden. We've been nice to their kids - i.e. interacted with them as human beings with ideas, interests and opinions. We've been openly admiring of one parent's sporting achievements and the other's academic achievements. We've asked their opinions about things they're likely to know about. We've looked after their pets every time they've asked (a lot). I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home, every few weeks for a few years; always had activities, baking, talked to the kids etc.

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense - they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful (even when we felt they had not a clue about our lives). They've kind of taken the piss a bit with the school pickups, never offering any help in return, or any payment. They also wanted to store their (3rd, very large) car on our driveway "since we weren't using the space" - we have one small car. We like having space to use most of our driveway for other things like playing with DS, so we said "that doesn't work for us, sorry, but do come back if you can't find another solution that works". Nothing else was ever said so we assumed their solution was ok.

We went overseas for 6 months recently, and paid the neighbours gardener rates to mow our lawn. We asked well in advance whether that would be something they'd consider, and said it was totally ok if they'd rather not do it as we totally understood if they would rather not spend the time on it. We explained that we were going to get a gardener to do it but figured that the degree of faff in ensuring a gardener was turning up and doing the job, was going to be a bit silly. They said it was totally fine - we paid them before we left - we came home to a well-mowed lawn. We thanked them and gave them presents from overseas, wine and chocolates and a card.

Since that point the relationship seems to have really gone off though. The wife actively avoids talking to us, and is cold, rude and distant to us if involved in a multi-neighbour conversation. The husband is generally more socially competent, so even if he really disliked us would probably be ok to hold a conversation with us, but every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life. The kids are frequently rude (they always have been) but the rudeness is targeted in a way it wasn't before - the parents seem have given the older kid a lot of ammunition of slightly bitchy things to say to us.

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids. DS also goes to the local (rather old fashioned) prep, where he's doing fine, because he can't really cope with the style of teaching at the local state school ("collaborative" - i.e. really loud and noisy and chaotic). We've explained this to the neighbours as a pragmatic choice based on what's right for DS as a child who doesn't deal well with loud environments or stress. They've been very rude about it and told us we aren't educating him to survive in the real world, we're stuffing his head with useless facts and not letting him have a childhood, - and have told other neighbours that there's clearly something wrong with DS and it's no wonder with parents like us.

Are these neighbours just dicks or are we selfish idiots? Or a bit of both?

OP posts:
Blondie1993 · 01/10/2018 13:45

Why do you care so much about what these people think? I think you are over thinking things. I would just take a step back and stop sharing so many details about your life with them. Keep being polite and courteous but don’t do any favours under the pretence of being friends as it doesn’t sound like either of you like each other at all.

SuchAToDo · 01/10/2018 13:59

Op just because you live next to them doesn't mean you have to have anything to do with them...

Dont ask them their opinions and advice on stuff in your life,

Don't collect their kids from school

Don't offer them fruit from garden

Don't invite them to your social events and bbqs

Don't let them park in your driveway

Just keep it to a hi and bye if you spot each other outside while putting the bins out /walking to and from car etc...

It sounds like you were trying to make a friendship happen that was never going to happen and it sounds like they are not wanting to be friends with you and resent your money (calling you rich kids)

Al's don't hire them.to do garden and pay gardeners rates (just hire an actual gardener and pay the gardener instead)

reddressblueshoes · 01/10/2018 14:24

The bit where you say you've politely/gratefully listened to their life advise, even though it was based on false assumptions - is it possible your trip abroad highlighted that? i.e. they thought you were struggling financially hippies and discovered that actually you had lots more money than they realised and now they feel aggrieved you never corrected them?

Because depending on what you mean, it sounds v much like they could have been in a situation where they were, say, giving you advise about gardening, and then they realised one day when flicking around the tv that you were actually guest experts on Gardeners World and they quite rightly feel a bit aggrieved, pissed off and embarrassed you never corrected them because it makes them look foolish and like you were laughing at them behind their back.

Quietly acting like you're grateful to receive unsolicited advise given on faulty assumptions isn't actually a polite thing to do, its quite a patronising one. It suggests you don't view them as equals. If one of my friends/peers were to start telling me how to do something I know a lot about, I would probably say 'oh actually I took a course on that years ago.' If, say, an elderly confused aunt did the same I would probably smile and nod politely because I wouldn't want to hurt her feelings.

I don't know when your son started private school, but essentially if they spent years thinking you didn't have that much money and then you went on a six month posting where it emerged your husband was acting Vice President in change of Very Important Business for a huge firm, then put your son into private school when you came back and paid them to mow your lawn while you were away, then I can understand why they might feel a bit misled.

If that's all totally off-base however, it is obviously entirely possible they are rude, or they just spent the last six months thinking 'gosh its nice to have a bit of space, that all got a bit suffocating with the neighbours' and don't have a more polite way of rolling it back.

DarlingNikita · 01/10/2018 14:35

if they spent years thinking you didn't have that much money and then you went on a six month posting where it emerged your husband was acting Vice President in change of Very Important Business for a huge firm, then put your son into private school when you came back and paid them to mow your lawn while you were away, then I can understand why they might feel a bit misled.

Eh? Confused If they assumed the OP didn't have that much money, that's their lookout (and anyway why should they care?). And I'm really struggling to see how paying them to mow the lawn fits into this narrative of feeling misled... Grin

ScrimshawTheSecond · 01/10/2018 14:44

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Padparadscha · 01/10/2018 15:07

TatianaLarina, yes because your opinion is so very right, and those of us who read it like the op being rather condescending are so very wrong. Thank you for educating us, where would we all be without someone like you?

ciderhouserules · 01/10/2018 15:17

"it's our first house, we should be good neighbours to model good behaviour for DS and because it's intrinsically a good thing". So we went out of our way to be friendly and helpful. - OP, if you are 'modelling' good behaviour to your ds by being over-friendly, over-eager and over-admiring of everyone, I think I'd agree with your NDN that you are not really equipping him for Real Life!

These are cfs, or at the very least, they are eyeing you up as mugs. My dps NDN include a fucking noisy raging alcoholic bastard, a chain-smoking, alcoholic bitch and a cannabis-growing crackhead... You don't need to get on with everyone. Sometimes it's a valuable 'life-lesson' to learn that in fact some people are just bastards, with no nice side (bastard noisy NDN I mean you Angry) and these are people who should be keep at arms reach, if not further.

You are too nice for your own good, and will be taken advantage of, if you are not careful.

reddressblueshoes · 01/10/2018 15:26

@DarlingNikita but the OP says they've acted grateful when receiving life advice from them, even though it didn't apply to their situation. What if the neighbours for some reason got it into their heads that OP was financially struggling, gave lots of tips about things they do to save money over a long period of time, then found out that actually they were really wealthy. That would be a fairly logical reason for them to step back a bit and feel a bit pissed off.

Mostly from what the OP has said they've been a bit overly involved but it sounds like the neighbours are mostly the problem- but there's something about the 'taking lots of life advice that didn't apply' description that sounds like it could be an explanation for why someone could legitimately take offence.

Aspenfrost · 01/10/2018 15:28

Tatiana Larina’s responses are pretty silly. She appears to be trying hard to get in on the old stealth boasting act! Lol

Amber0685 · 01/10/2018 15:30

I find it weird you paid them gardeners rates to mow the lawn. I would either have asked them to do it as a favour and obviously given gifts when returned home, or hired a gardener. You did them favours picking their kids up after all.

Aspenfrost · 01/10/2018 15:33

Neighbours are just that - neighbours. Good grief, you don’t have to like them, or anything, or have much to do with them! The one proviso would be their general behaviour regarding noise etc.

Lots of people are highly educated, OP. and may also “even” have some of other trappings to which you refer!

SummerStrong · 01/10/2018 15:35

It seems like their problem with you centres around the way you parent. Ignore them and don't engage anymore, if you do ever have the odd conversation do not talk about children / discipline / schooling etc.

You need to start seeing them as neighbours and not as friends. They sound like dicks (raising more dicks)

Aspenfrost · 01/10/2018 15:37

The OP is a tad cringeworthy. Fact.

DarlingNikita · 01/10/2018 15:38

OP says they've acted grateful when receiving life advice from them, even though it didn't apply to their situation.
Well, 'acting grateful' is just really being polite. Which is preferable, I think, to telling them to stay out of it or whatever.

What if the neighbours for some reason got it into their heads that OP was financially struggling, gave lots of tips about things they do to save money over a long period of time, then found out that actually they were really wealthy. That would be a fairly logical reason for them to step back a bit and feel a bit pissed off.

I really don't see why the neighbours getting something into their heads would be the OP's fault or problem. If the OP had actually SAID they didn't have much money, were struggling, asked for a loan or something, and then later it turned out they were perfectly comfortably off, then that would be deliberate deception and something to feel pissed off about.

I've over the years made all kinds of assumptions about people that have later been disproved. It wouldn't occur to me to feel aggrieved. I just laugh at myself and my jumping to conclusions/eagerness to make up my own story about people.

Aspenfrost · 01/10/2018 15:39

The “dicks” word is being overused by some. Really, you should practise your wider vocabulary - if it exists...

derxa · 01/10/2018 15:49

The husband is generally more socially competent Just one example of your condescension.

MinaPaws · 01/10/2018 15:55

You know friendships can die overnight when people find out you are sending your child to private school. It could be that simple. You have one tiny car and send DC private. They have three cars but choose state. It shows a completely different set of life values. But they seem threatened by yours, which is sad.

DancingForTheDog · 01/10/2018 15:59

The people on the other side know us rather better, but have always been friendly in a much more disengaged way Learn from them OP. This is your first home and you have thrown yourself in to being friendly and involved with everyone and you have been stung. This happens to many of us. We've also learned the hard way to not become over-friendly or over-familiar with neighbours as it often backfires. We moved here last year and are pleasant and friendly with the neighbours when we see them outside, but we now keep far more to ourselves and avoid getting into any social relationships with them. As they say "you can't choose your family, or your neighbours".

HollowTalk · 01/10/2018 16:00

You are modelling terrible behaviour to your son, though. You are doing the equivalent of buying the school bully sweets so that she'll like you.

Your neighbours are awful. You should be polite but that's it. No more favours. Why on earth are you doing favours for people who are treating you so badly? Think about it!

SandAndSea · 01/10/2018 16:10

They don't respect you.

"Smile & wave."

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 01/10/2018 16:23

They sound horrible. I’d be delighted to have you as neighbours even if our interests/values didn’t quite align.

SavageBeauty73 · 01/10/2018 16:25

I find it so bizarre you are so emotionally invested in your neighbours. Just wave, smile and don't engage. Simple.

Lethaldrizzle · 01/10/2018 16:30

I'm sorry but does any child thrive well in 'loud environments and stress'?- your description of state primaries - I'm sure most kids would benefit from prep schools, not just your son- but it is not an option for most. That sounded a bit precious.

oldsockeater · 01/10/2018 16:41

You've probably offended them by criticising their children's school, their behaviour, or their parenting.
It does sound as though you have lots of really unpleasant conversations.

Itsnotabingthingisit · 01/10/2018 16:45

Bit of a mixed bag this isn't it? especially the drip feed about the other neighbours being unpleasant about you.

I get the vibe about your parenting style, and to be honest I find parents who treat their kids as adults a bit annoying and 'superior' .

I think as you and your neighbours have reached the point where your respective lifestyles and parenting styles just annoy each other. The more they have got to know you, the more they have realised they don't like your life style or parenting style.

The catalyst seems to have been your trip overseas. Maybe they realised they just didn't like people who could just do that . Maybe they were a bit jealous.

Anyway, don't sweat it, you are allowed to end friendships. No need for a big drama really.

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