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to think neighbours are cf snobs? Or are we the problem?

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TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:03

Moved into our house 4 years ago. Over time our neighbours on one side have gone from being a bit over-familiar and slightly cf-pisstaking, to being distinctly cold and unfriendly.

We've always chatted to them over the fence/in the street/ at other people's social events. We've invited them to bbqs at our house. We've offered them fruit from our garden. We've been nice to their kids - i.e. interacted with them as human beings with ideas, interests and opinions. We've been openly admiring of one parent's sporting achievements and the other's academic achievements. We've asked their opinions about things they're likely to know about. We've looked after their pets every time they've asked (a lot). I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home, every few weeks for a few years; always had activities, baking, talked to the kids etc.

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense - they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful (even when we felt they had not a clue about our lives). They've kind of taken the piss a bit with the school pickups, never offering any help in return, or any payment. They also wanted to store their (3rd, very large) car on our driveway "since we weren't using the space" - we have one small car. We like having space to use most of our driveway for other things like playing with DS, so we said "that doesn't work for us, sorry, but do come back if you can't find another solution that works". Nothing else was ever said so we assumed their solution was ok.

We went overseas for 6 months recently, and paid the neighbours gardener rates to mow our lawn. We asked well in advance whether that would be something they'd consider, and said it was totally ok if they'd rather not do it as we totally understood if they would rather not spend the time on it. We explained that we were going to get a gardener to do it but figured that the degree of faff in ensuring a gardener was turning up and doing the job, was going to be a bit silly. They said it was totally fine - we paid them before we left - we came home to a well-mowed lawn. We thanked them and gave them presents from overseas, wine and chocolates and a card.

Since that point the relationship seems to have really gone off though. The wife actively avoids talking to us, and is cold, rude and distant to us if involved in a multi-neighbour conversation. The husband is generally more socially competent, so even if he really disliked us would probably be ok to hold a conversation with us, but every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life. The kids are frequently rude (they always have been) but the rudeness is targeted in a way it wasn't before - the parents seem have given the older kid a lot of ammunition of slightly bitchy things to say to us.

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids. DS also goes to the local (rather old fashioned) prep, where he's doing fine, because he can't really cope with the style of teaching at the local state school ("collaborative" - i.e. really loud and noisy and chaotic). We've explained this to the neighbours as a pragmatic choice based on what's right for DS as a child who doesn't deal well with loud environments or stress. They've been very rude about it and told us we aren't educating him to survive in the real world, we're stuffing his head with useless facts and not letting him have a childhood, - and have told other neighbours that there's clearly something wrong with DS and it's no wonder with parents like us.

Are these neighbours just dicks or are we selfish idiots? Or a bit of both?

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LaurieMarlow · 01/10/2018 11:03

I don't understand why you want a close relationship with them. They're very different people to you. You clearly disapprove of their parenting approach for one thing.

They're neighbours. Smile, wave, polite chitchat about the weather or something innocuous, leave it at that. Not everyone in life needs to be your friend/approve of your life choices/help out.

Concentrate your energies on genuine friendships.

BlueJava · 01/10/2018 11:08

My motto with NDNs - be friendly, don't engage. A quick wave and cheery hello is fine, much more and I back off. Has proved to be a good strategy for 20 years!

Padparadscha · 01/10/2018 11:09

It’s noticeable that several posters have jumped to the conclusion that you’re superior and judgemental based nothing in your text either overt or implied, based really on their own assumptions and insecurities - which is I suspect what is happening with your neighbours.

Really, because in the OP’s own words;

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids.

That sounds very much like judging the neighbours on their parenting whilst not-so-subtly suggesting their way of parenting is better to me.

Miladymilord · 01/10/2018 11:12

OK you are over thinking this. Just disengage. Sometimes people don't like you. It's fine.

Orchiddingme · 01/10/2018 11:20

I can't fathom why you ever tried so hard in the first place. You clearly didn't get on that well and they were CF from the outset with the constant feeding of the animals and pick ups from school. The one time you needed a favour from them (which you even paid for!) they were begrudging.

Just ignore them, or say 'hello' and don't bother trying to engage them in conversation.

The mystery is why you have been sucking up to these people for so long, being taken advantage and still upset they aren't nice people and your true friends. You seem quite naive and need to put up better boundaries.

MadameButterface · 01/10/2018 11:24

agree, you're overthinking

and the thing about 'modelling friendships with neighbours for your ds' or whatever just sounds so... I dunno, something. do you ever do things just because, or are you one of those people where everything has to be a learning and teaching moment? they're not your cup of tea and you're not theirs, that's life, just step back from it and don't give it any more head space.

derxa · 01/10/2018 11:27

I think, they think, you think you are better than them. Paying them to do your gardening would not have helped. You sound a bit 'superior'.
I would not dream of asking a neighbour to mow my lawn.

cholka · 01/10/2018 11:33

Why are you letting them sit in judgment over you? Just smile and say hello but don't get into the details of your life. You can be a good neighbour (take in the odd parcel etc) without being best buddies.

woollyheart · 01/10/2018 11:40

I would ask a neighbour to cut my lawn if they had asked lots of favours.

I have also cut the lawn for neighbours when they were abroad for a long period. But that was unusual - we got on particularly well and liked each other.

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 01/10/2018 11:50

Could it be, that they have been using your drive for their third car, whilst you were away, and are disappointed and angry that this can't continue ?

SalemBlackCat · 01/10/2018 11:51

Sounds like you going overseas for 6 months was the catalyst; meaning they are intensely jealous of your money and travel. It is sad because it sounds like you have done a lot for them and they don't appreciate any of it, just put you down because you are smarter and better educated than them (which would also be a reason to be jealous of you and resent you for), are able to go overseas, and have a well-behaved son. I would probably confront them and ask them what is their problem with you, and word it like we helped you out a lot with childcare and never asked for anything in return, we feel we have welcomed you into our family and lives, what have we done?

NotTheFunKind666 · 01/10/2018 12:10

yup, snobs.

TatianaLarina · 01/10/2018 12:21

That sounds very much like judging the neighbours on their parenting whilst not-so-subtly suggesting their way of parenting is better to me

That may be what it sounds like to you which was rather my point.

FullOfJellyBeans · 01/10/2018 12:23

I would not dream of asking a neighbour to mow my lawn.

How odd. If I had fed my neighbours pets, picked their kids up from school and looked after them all evening for free many times I would think they would be happy to mow my lawn for free.

woollyheart · 01/10/2018 12:24

We've had lots of possible reasons for their attitude, but whichever it is, it sounds as if they don't welcome you back.

SoyDora · 01/10/2018 12:25

Our neighbours currently live abroad (will be there for 2 years) and the house is empty. We mow their front lawn for free, when we do ours. Not even sure they know we do it to be honest! It just makes sense to do theirs at the same time as ours.

DarlingNikita · 01/10/2018 12:35

every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life.

Sorry, what? Why would you let someone talk to you like that? And more than once?

Fuck em. Don't ever offer or agree to help them out again.

LaurieMarlow · 01/10/2018 12:38

I also think the comment highlighted by Padparadscha sounds judgemental. And I'm from a similar class background to the OP.

FruitofAutumn · 01/10/2018 12:40

Your post reeks of condescension.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 01/10/2018 12:56

... what does 'cf' mean?

thebellsofsaintclements · 01/10/2018 13:31

Sorry OP, but you sound like the 'snobs' in the way you imply your patenting choices are superior.

How old is your son? When catching up with neighbours over a glass of wine or whatever (normal around here!) the last thing we want is kids hanging about pitching in with their opinions! That would be really annoying for me (I wouldn't tell them to eff off, but I might well be thinking it Grin )

RhythmStix · 01/10/2018 13:32

Envy - pure and simple. You are better educated and more intelligent. They are taking the piss. Fuck 'em.

Singlenotsingle · 01/10/2018 13:35

Scrimshaw - cheeky fucker

hellsbellsmelons · 01/10/2018 13:38

Are these neighbours just dicks
YES - HTH!