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to think neighbours are cf snobs? Or are we the problem?

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TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:03

Moved into our house 4 years ago. Over time our neighbours on one side have gone from being a bit over-familiar and slightly cf-pisstaking, to being distinctly cold and unfriendly.

We've always chatted to them over the fence/in the street/ at other people's social events. We've invited them to bbqs at our house. We've offered them fruit from our garden. We've been nice to their kids - i.e. interacted with them as human beings with ideas, interests and opinions. We've been openly admiring of one parent's sporting achievements and the other's academic achievements. We've asked their opinions about things they're likely to know about. We've looked after their pets every time they've asked (a lot). I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home, every few weeks for a few years; always had activities, baking, talked to the kids etc.

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense - they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful (even when we felt they had not a clue about our lives). They've kind of taken the piss a bit with the school pickups, never offering any help in return, or any payment. They also wanted to store their (3rd, very large) car on our driveway "since we weren't using the space" - we have one small car. We like having space to use most of our driveway for other things like playing with DS, so we said "that doesn't work for us, sorry, but do come back if you can't find another solution that works". Nothing else was ever said so we assumed their solution was ok.

We went overseas for 6 months recently, and paid the neighbours gardener rates to mow our lawn. We asked well in advance whether that would be something they'd consider, and said it was totally ok if they'd rather not do it as we totally understood if they would rather not spend the time on it. We explained that we were going to get a gardener to do it but figured that the degree of faff in ensuring a gardener was turning up and doing the job, was going to be a bit silly. They said it was totally fine - we paid them before we left - we came home to a well-mowed lawn. We thanked them and gave them presents from overseas, wine and chocolates and a card.

Since that point the relationship seems to have really gone off though. The wife actively avoids talking to us, and is cold, rude and distant to us if involved in a multi-neighbour conversation. The husband is generally more socially competent, so even if he really disliked us would probably be ok to hold a conversation with us, but every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life. The kids are frequently rude (they always have been) but the rudeness is targeted in a way it wasn't before - the parents seem have given the older kid a lot of ammunition of slightly bitchy things to say to us.

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids. DS also goes to the local (rather old fashioned) prep, where he's doing fine, because he can't really cope with the style of teaching at the local state school ("collaborative" - i.e. really loud and noisy and chaotic). We've explained this to the neighbours as a pragmatic choice based on what's right for DS as a child who doesn't deal well with loud environments or stress. They've been very rude about it and told us we aren't educating him to survive in the real world, we're stuffing his head with useless facts and not letting him have a childhood, - and have told other neighbours that there's clearly something wrong with DS and it's no wonder with parents like us.

Are these neighbours just dicks or are we selfish idiots? Or a bit of both?

OP posts:
TatianaLarina · 02/10/2018 12:20

it is becoming tiresome

The very definition of tiresome is your snippy, snipey little posts.

I was responding directly to the OP’s update.

TatianaLarina · 02/10/2018 12:24

It sounds to me as if they are reading your good nature generosity with childcare, petsitting, garden fruit etc as weakness and unworldliness, and while they are benefiting from it

Yes that’s a good point - despising their supposed naivety while taking advantage of it.

eco1636 · 02/10/2018 12:33

Well this is all weird.

Padparadscha · 02/10/2018 13:08

So much waffle here, however this

The Reception teacher said he spent much of every day "daydreaming" and would never amount to anything and was unteachable.

amongst it all makes me think the op is either exaggerating or just not being truthful. I find it very difficult to believe a reception teacher said this of a 4/5 year old.

Aspenfrost · 02/10/2018 14:24

My thoughts, exactly. NO teacher who values her/his job would say anything like that.

This thread has grown wings.Hmm

WhateverHappenedToTheHeatwave · 02/10/2018 17:12

I think you can over-analyse until the cows come home OP but unless they tell you why they are pissed off you are only guessing. As is everyone else. Just working from your thoughts really.

You are best moving forward, forgetting the why and go to what to go from here. How you will change your responses. Personally i would completely cool everything with no favours or jobs on either side. Just a civil merry hello and goodbye and no more engaging. For all your neighbours.

MaisyPops · 02/10/2018 17:20

My thoughts, exactly. NO teacher who values her/his job would say anything like that.
Agreed.
There may be some over egging the pudding here methinks.

I'd still put a wager on it being a bit more half and half. OP and her family conduct themselves in a way that makes their judgements clear, the neighbour's probably took a huff over something (i would guess a favour or something) and are now maintaining boundaries but are probably being more cold than civil.

I highly doubt it's some 'inverse snobbery', but I think the OP wants to be told she's a golden neighbour, the neighbours are CF who take advantage of people and the neighbours are clearly jealous of OP's for being more affluent.

GinPink · 02/10/2018 17:31

This is why I like to be friendly but not friends with my neighbours. They sound like idiots. Sorry OP Flowers

Strongmummy · 02/10/2018 17:42

Why on earth have you allowed yourself to be treated like this for years. Unless there’s a backstory you just seem daft and a complete pushover !!!! On the basis they treat you with contempt and always have done you shouldn’t care now they are being rude as it means you don’t have an excuse to engage and you can ignore them.

FWIW however, your op does smack of intellectual snobbery and so if you act like this in real life they may think that you are the ones sneering at them !

Extravagant · 02/10/2018 17:44

Why are you giving them head space - they are clearly not worth it!

TheCherries · 02/10/2018 17:49

Total chip on their shoulder. As soon as you got to the private school bit it all slotted in place.
I have had the same with another couple. They spent £200,000 on an extension and then said they didn’t have the money to afford to send their children to private education. They then preached loudly to anyone connected to me about the wrongs to my decision making.
I just distanced myself from her especially and found my life to be a much happier one. They have since done a truly awful thing to my son, mentioning it here would out me, but we just found a way to get round that and teach him the values that are important and triumph over their attempts to be so awful.
Toxic people need to be ignored.

ToftyAC · 02/10/2018 18:17

They sound horrible tbh. Can you be our neighbours, you sound lovely :)

LaVieEstBelle159 · 02/10/2018 18:46

They sound terrible people and you sound absolutely lovely. I agree with pp about the private schooling jealousy.

We've had the reversal. We took our ds out out of private school and our snobby neighbour hasn't spoken to us since. It's fabulous!

Gottagetmoving · 02/10/2018 18:59

I think you both sound odd.
I'm not surprised they are 'off' with you if they can pick up on the attitude and opinion of them that you are showing here.
I'd like to hear their side of this but at this point, you both sound odd to me.

eddielizzard · 02/10/2018 19:27

Well it's just as well they're 'off' with you - I think that's a relief. I would however set them straight when they start spouting crap about you. Why wouldn't you in the first place? This sort of gossip is best nipped in the bud, not smiled at.

Mummadeeze · 02/10/2018 19:40

I find your tone in your post quite weird. The way you have described your previous relationship with them is very clinical and robotic - kind of like you were acting or putting on a show of being their friend and liking their kids. Pretending to be grateful for their advice etc. You don’t project any genuine warmth or affection towards any of their family so it isn’t really surprising you have ended up with this sense of distance between you. It really doesn’t sound like you guys are meant to be friends and as you seem to dislike them all so much, I am not sure why it is bothering you that the friendship has cooled off. Just get on with your lives, be civil and let them do the same is my feeling.

MrsAmaretto · 02/10/2018 19:41

Goodness sake, just smile and wave possibly mention the weather. Don’t go around offering fruit and decline politely if they ask for a favour. Mountain out of a molehill.

lisahpost · 02/10/2018 20:00

Ha Ha they moan that you are educated, send your kid to private school and are 'stupid rich kids'???

Its called jealousy .

Tell them to piss off .

You sound really nice neighbours tbh and they sound like asshats with a chip on their uneducated shoulders

purplelila2 · 02/10/2018 20:07

I'm sorry but you do come across as snobish from your tone and it jumps out. You also sound like you're looking down on them.

Lalliella · 02/10/2018 20:39

Ignore PPs saying you’re snobby or sneery. You sound like a perfectly nice person to me who is relaxed and laidback generally about life. They sound jealous. Ignore them.

missymousey · 02/10/2018 20:45

fill your life with people who appreciate you

This. Stop fretting about them. You sound lovely.

browneyes77 · 02/10/2018 20:53

They sound jealous

ButchyRestingFace · 02/10/2018 20:55

I started picking up their kids when I worked from home - neighbours always laughed about my "pin money" job - and continued after I stopped working - neighbours are openly disdainful of me being a SAHM. Originally it was to get them through a childcare crisis but it continued long after that was over.

Irrespective of what you not-so-secretly think of them, I am at an absolute loss as to why you would debase yourselves so utterly for people who are openly hostile towards you.

The only thing you're modelling for your kids is how to be a complete pushover.

Stop the madness. Step away from their letterbox.

Xenia · 02/10/2018 20:59

There is a simple answer to this. It is why most of us give our neighbours only a polite hello if we happen to pass them in the street but usually hope they won't be there when we go by. Most people find it a lot easier just to keep themselves to themselves. I think you would be better doing that. It is not that people are nasty doing that - it is just it makes relationships with neighbours often better that there is not a lot of interaction so people feel their lives and privacy are respected.

(May be if you got a full time job you might have less time to worry about things that don't matter at all and be less of a person who everyone walks all over too and takes advantage of, kind though you have tried to be).

ButchyRestingFace · 02/10/2018 21:06

(May be if you got a full time job you might have less time to worry about things that don't matter at all and be less of a person who everyone walks all over too and takes advantage of, kind though you have tried to be).

Alternatively if OP retired or became a SAMH, she could spend all day out of the house, swanning around to spa retreats, they gym, ski-ing resorts, etc, and give her neighbours a wide berth that way. Wink

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