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to think neighbours are cf snobs? Or are we the problem?

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TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:03

Moved into our house 4 years ago. Over time our neighbours on one side have gone from being a bit over-familiar and slightly cf-pisstaking, to being distinctly cold and unfriendly.

We've always chatted to them over the fence/in the street/ at other people's social events. We've invited them to bbqs at our house. We've offered them fruit from our garden. We've been nice to their kids - i.e. interacted with them as human beings with ideas, interests and opinions. We've been openly admiring of one parent's sporting achievements and the other's academic achievements. We've asked their opinions about things they're likely to know about. We've looked after their pets every time they've asked (a lot). I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home, every few weeks for a few years; always had activities, baking, talked to the kids etc.

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense - they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful (even when we felt they had not a clue about our lives). They've kind of taken the piss a bit with the school pickups, never offering any help in return, or any payment. They also wanted to store their (3rd, very large) car on our driveway "since we weren't using the space" - we have one small car. We like having space to use most of our driveway for other things like playing with DS, so we said "that doesn't work for us, sorry, but do come back if you can't find another solution that works". Nothing else was ever said so we assumed their solution was ok.

We went overseas for 6 months recently, and paid the neighbours gardener rates to mow our lawn. We asked well in advance whether that would be something they'd consider, and said it was totally ok if they'd rather not do it as we totally understood if they would rather not spend the time on it. We explained that we were going to get a gardener to do it but figured that the degree of faff in ensuring a gardener was turning up and doing the job, was going to be a bit silly. They said it was totally fine - we paid them before we left - we came home to a well-mowed lawn. We thanked them and gave them presents from overseas, wine and chocolates and a card.

Since that point the relationship seems to have really gone off though. The wife actively avoids talking to us, and is cold, rude and distant to us if involved in a multi-neighbour conversation. The husband is generally more socially competent, so even if he really disliked us would probably be ok to hold a conversation with us, but every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life. The kids are frequently rude (they always have been) but the rudeness is targeted in a way it wasn't before - the parents seem have given the older kid a lot of ammunition of slightly bitchy things to say to us.

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids. DS also goes to the local (rather old fashioned) prep, where he's doing fine, because he can't really cope with the style of teaching at the local state school ("collaborative" - i.e. really loud and noisy and chaotic). We've explained this to the neighbours as a pragmatic choice based on what's right for DS as a child who doesn't deal well with loud environments or stress. They've been very rude about it and told us we aren't educating him to survive in the real world, we're stuffing his head with useless facts and not letting him have a childhood, - and have told other neighbours that there's clearly something wrong with DS and it's no wonder with parents like us.

Are these neighbours just dicks or are we selfish idiots? Or a bit of both?

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Snowymountainsalways · 01/10/2018 09:46

They are just neighbours op, not your best friends. Just be polite and cheerful but cool to them from now on. No more favours or helping out anymore. Just disengage quietly.

Maybe they felt the relationship was becoming strained or too much?

You sound like very nice people, and this is their loss!

Gabilan · 01/10/2018 09:49

they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful

Why? I don't ask for advice on how to live my life and would not be remotely thankful if someone gave it to me unsolicited. I think they disliked the fact that you've gone from being doormats they could lord it over to being, in effect, their employers.

Disengage and don't give them headspace.

LittleBookofCalm · 01/10/2018 09:53

perhaps they Felt that Had to mow your lawn, did it under sufferance

longwayoff · 01/10/2018 09:57

You dont have to love everyone in the world or be loved back. They sound like a lot of unrewarded effort. Ignore them, just dont engage. Be distantly polite if you encounter them. Why care why they are like this? Accept and withdraw.

TatianaLarina · 01/10/2018 09:58

It sounds like a class thing. They see you as geeky, academic, over-educated rich kids with a son at private school. You might make them feel defensive, insecure so they compensate by patronising you and giving you advice you clearly don’t need. It’s noticeable that several posters have jumped to the conclusion that you’re superior and judgemental based nothing in your text either overt or implied, based really on their own assumptions and insecurities - which is I suspect what is happening with your neighbours.

You’re clearly nice people and you’ve tried very hard - but you’ve tried too hard. The key lesson here is not to be so over-friendly and get so invested. Relationships can only develop organically, you can’t force them. Some neighbours you will automatically make friends with and will result in the kind of relationship you wanted with these people.

Some of our neighbours are really good friends and some of them I hardly speak to - not necessarily determined by us - they’re just not sociable people or we don’t click.

longwayoff · 01/10/2018 10:02

They took money for mowing your lawn? How neighbourly. They aren't worth bothering with.

EK36 · 01/10/2018 10:06

Disengage from them. If you see them just say hello and head in. No more gardening/favours. Sounds like you have heavily crossed relationship boundaries for neighbours.

MereDintofPandiculation · 01/10/2018 10:09

I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home

Why on earth would anyone do this for a neighbour?!

Why on earth wouldn't you do this for a neighbour?

WasabiSpring · 01/10/2018 10:14

Sounds like although you and your neighbours have made initial attempts to be friendly some differences in worldviews and values has grown into outright dislike. They judge you negatively for certain choices and parenting style, clearly, you judge them right back. I'd just leave it as you are not suitable to be friends and leave it at that. So long as neither set of neighbours is being overtly hostile I can't see a problem.

makingmammaries · 01/10/2018 10:14

I think they don’t respect you and you having the option to go abroad for six months and more money than they think is fair, was the final straw for them. If they are taking your money, it’s difficult for them to continue thinking themselves better than you - they don’t find that comfortable. Disengage, as others have said.

Racecardriver · 01/10/2018 10:17

Inverse snobbery would be my guess. They clearly feel insecure around people like you. They trued to hide it while they were using you but once you asked them for help they stopped trying to hide it. You actually sound like really awesome neighbours. If you fancy move then move next door to us next time Wink

Tinkobell · 01/10/2018 10:20

OP - when I read your opening thread, honestly I do wonder if there is anything at all that these neighbourd of just 4 years DONT know about your backgrounds, education etc etc. You seem to have poured everything out to them over what I see as a short period of time. I'm sure this was done in good faith and innocence but some people start to feel that this buys them criticism and judgement rights after a while - and I think that's what's happened here. You've unwittingly got too close from awkwardos who now show their true colours. I don't know what you practically do about this other than accept it and maybe in time move and learn from the experience. Keep people at arms length just a little more next time.

HellenaHandbasket · 01/10/2018 10:20

You don't like each other. Does it really matter? You're only neighbours.

Aspenfrost · 01/10/2018 10:26

Geeky academics? Prep school?

Clumsy stealth boasts, hmm?

Tomatoesrock · 01/10/2018 10:28

I suspect they are cf's who like to take favpurs but hate returning a favour. They probably seen the gardening as a hassle. I would completely blank them, let them loose out.

I purposely do not get to close to neighbours, I do a shop run for an elderly neighbour and cut her grass at the front but even that is a pain sometimes. She gives out if it goes 3 weeks for the grass she is a CF but 85 so I let her away with it.

TatianaLarina · 01/10/2018 10:29

Clumsy stealth boasts, hmm?

Very good example of my post upthread.

Missingstreetlife · 01/10/2018 10:33

Good neighbours are friendly but not friends. Have a healthy distance.

KC225 · 01/10/2018 10:35

Bloody hell the first rule in the neighbour handbook is do not ask a piss taker to do you a favour. They conveniently forget every favour you have ever done for them and them assume YOU owe them ten fold for the one minuscule thing you asked of them - then they never let you forget it.

You had every right to refuse to let their third car on your drive but you were idiots for asking them to now your lawn even if you did pay them.

Withdraw as other people have suggested, I fail to see how a 'morning, bit nippy today' etc can lead to you being told you are over educated twits.

And you do come across sneery when talking about their children and the different patenting styles. If their children have ammunition, they early they DO speak to their children. Why would you seem interested in their advice if it was not needed, 'yeah, thanks for that' and 'each to their own' 'different strokes eh?' Are the stock standard responses for curb side know it alls OP.

Womaningreen · 01/10/2018 10:35

wow
how did you end up politely accepting advice from strangers, and looking grateful?

I'm sorry, I don't understand how any of this occurred but now, just disengage.

NataliaOsipova · 01/10/2018 10:38

You don't like each other. Does it really matter? You're only neighbours.

Exactly. Be polite and courteous. Say "good morning" when you see them and accept the odd package if it's convenient to do so. End of.

MereDintofPandiculation · 01/10/2018 10:38

I wouldn't dream of employing my neighbours - changes the whole dynamic of the relationship. Either pay someone to come in and cut your lawn, or neighbours do it as a favour (and you give them a gift in return) but don't turn your neighbours into your employees.

woollyheart · 01/10/2018 10:39

I would continue to be polite but distant. Don't allow them to go on about your choices - just say 'yes, different people have different priorities don't they!'.

MrsSkarsgard · 01/10/2018 10:40

I think this is one to learn from - don't tell other people your business, your decisions why you send your kids to certain schools or ask favours of them (even if it involves payment - favours are for family and friends). If they have an insecurity they will see your explanations as choices. Smile when you see them, don't engage in conversations and if you are a nice person, take in parcels for them/send them an xmas card.

That for me are perfect neighbourly relations. I know nothing about their jobs, philosophy on life, where they go on holiday, if they are on holiday. Don't really know everyone's names - I treat it like a distant professional relationship. That way if someone is being a dick, you can go straight in with a no nonsense approach and you have not affected any dynamic and at worst, you lose them smiling at you. If they aren't dicks, you stay cordial.

MrsSkarsgard · 01/10/2018 10:41

"they will see your explanations as judgments on their life choices"

MadisonMontgomery · 01/10/2018 10:46

I think you are just very different people. Be civil but don’t engage, and certainly don’t do any more favours for them!