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to think neighbours are cf snobs? Or are we the problem?

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TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:03

Moved into our house 4 years ago. Over time our neighbours on one side have gone from being a bit over-familiar and slightly cf-pisstaking, to being distinctly cold and unfriendly.

We've always chatted to them over the fence/in the street/ at other people's social events. We've invited them to bbqs at our house. We've offered them fruit from our garden. We've been nice to their kids - i.e. interacted with them as human beings with ideas, interests and opinions. We've been openly admiring of one parent's sporting achievements and the other's academic achievements. We've asked their opinions about things they're likely to know about. We've looked after their pets every time they've asked (a lot). I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home, every few weeks for a few years; always had activities, baking, talked to the kids etc.

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense - they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful (even when we felt they had not a clue about our lives). They've kind of taken the piss a bit with the school pickups, never offering any help in return, or any payment. They also wanted to store their (3rd, very large) car on our driveway "since we weren't using the space" - we have one small car. We like having space to use most of our driveway for other things like playing with DS, so we said "that doesn't work for us, sorry, but do come back if you can't find another solution that works". Nothing else was ever said so we assumed their solution was ok.

We went overseas for 6 months recently, and paid the neighbours gardener rates to mow our lawn. We asked well in advance whether that would be something they'd consider, and said it was totally ok if they'd rather not do it as we totally understood if they would rather not spend the time on it. We explained that we were going to get a gardener to do it but figured that the degree of faff in ensuring a gardener was turning up and doing the job, was going to be a bit silly. They said it was totally fine - we paid them before we left - we came home to a well-mowed lawn. We thanked them and gave them presents from overseas, wine and chocolates and a card.

Since that point the relationship seems to have really gone off though. The wife actively avoids talking to us, and is cold, rude and distant to us if involved in a multi-neighbour conversation. The husband is generally more socially competent, so even if he really disliked us would probably be ok to hold a conversation with us, but every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life. The kids are frequently rude (they always have been) but the rudeness is targeted in a way it wasn't before - the parents seem have given the older kid a lot of ammunition of slightly bitchy things to say to us.

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids. DS also goes to the local (rather old fashioned) prep, where he's doing fine, because he can't really cope with the style of teaching at the local state school ("collaborative" - i.e. really loud and noisy and chaotic). We've explained this to the neighbours as a pragmatic choice based on what's right for DS as a child who doesn't deal well with loud environments or stress. They've been very rude about it and told us we aren't educating him to survive in the real world, we're stuffing his head with useless facts and not letting him have a childhood, - and have told other neighbours that there's clearly something wrong with DS and it's no wonder with parents like us.

Are these neighbours just dicks or are we selfish idiots? Or a bit of both?

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Padparadscha · 01/10/2018 09:30

I think it’s a bit of both. It sounds from what you’ve said that both of you are a bit judgemental of each other’s choices and parenting.

I absolutely agree with this. Your obvious dislike and judgemental attitude towards them and their parenting is hidden amongst how awful they are. They’re cheeky and rude, you’re judgmental and think you’re superior at parenting. I think avoiding each other is the best option here.

SoyDora · 01/10/2018 09:30

You both sound pretty judgemental of each other, so to be honest I’d just distance myself to be honest.
We are perfectly pleasant and polite to our neighbours and they to us, but we’re not friends. We don’t have to be, just because we live next door to each other. I think the level of information you share with each other is a bit odd!

Lordamighty · 01/10/2018 09:31

Reverse snobbery, they have taken the huff because you can afford a private school for your DS would be my guess. From your description I would say you are well rid of them, they sound awful.

woollyheart · 01/10/2018 09:31

Could it be that by paying them to do the garden, the relationship has changed from neighbours doing favours for each other to more of an employer/employee one?
They may have felt equal before (or even slightly superior as they had more/bigger cars) but now feel that you are being condescending?

Maybe cutting the lawn became a chore and they argued about it?

LimitIsUp · 01/10/2018 09:32

"Maybe they are annoyed you didn't pay them gardeners rates for doing their lawn, yet you can afford private education for your DS"

Is there another meaning to 'gardeners rates' that I don't know about? I assumed it meant paying them the rate that a professional gardener would get paid, in which case I can't see the problem?

prettypossums · 01/10/2018 09:32

I'd be curious to read the neighbours' take on this...

HundredsAndThousandsOfThem · 01/10/2018 09:32

They're clearly just dicks. It's nice that you've been so neighbourly and kind to them - I think it's always right to give people the benefit of the doubt at first. However they've clearly shown you they don't appreciate what you've done for them so just separate yourself from them, don't do any more favours for them or expect them to be friendly.

LimitIsUp · 01/10/2018 09:33

..and the op did pay gardeners rates

TruelyTruelyScrumptious · 01/10/2018 09:34

So you paid them £20 a week to cut the lawn minimum and more if large?

HundredsAndThousandsOfThem · 01/10/2018 09:34

Maybe they are annoyed you didn't pay them gardeners rates for doing their lawn, yet you can afford private education for your DS

OP said she did pay them gardeners rates and anyway since she's ferried their kids about and fed their pets for free plenty of times surely they should have offered to mow the lawn for free.

prettypossums · 01/10/2018 09:36

Op, you say you did the school runs previously - did your ds attend the same (state) school as neighbors dc originally? And you moved him? Or has he always attended the Prep?

woollyheart · 01/10/2018 09:37

I assume you are not picking their children up from school any more?

Maybe they just don't need you any more and don't have to be nice to you.

MatildaTheCat · 01/10/2018 09:38

Yes, they are CF because they regularly ask you for favours whilst being openly rude to you.

The question is, do you have MUG written across your forehead? Next time just say sorry but you are busy and keep contact down to a wave outside and chat about the weather.

Singlenotsingle · 01/10/2018 09:38

Sad to say, but there's always a risk in getting too matey with people. It usually ends in tears! In this case, your NDLs are probably feeling a bit jealous and intimidated by you - Ds going to a private school, you going away overseas for 6m ("how could they afford that"?). Not very nice people, just stay clear.

TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:39

to the PP who suggested it might be because DS interrupts conversation - we don't let him interrupt, and he doesn't. But also if he wants to stand there when we're chatting, we don't get rid of him, and if he has something to say that's relevant then we'd let him say it.

In general I feel they're a bit unkind to their kids, and they clearly talk about things in front of their kids that I might not talk about on front of kids. Kids can be rude at times, it's life - I'm not openly disdainful of their parenting. If anything we have always perhaps been too admiring of everything they have to say - a fair bit of their advice to us has been based on all sorts of incorrect assumptions about our lives/ideas/opinions.

@woollyheart - this is probably the immediate problem. The general problem is different ways of looking at the world I guess.

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confusedmummy76 · 01/10/2018 09:39

You sound like brilliant neighbours. They are CF. Just say a polite "hello" when you see them and move on.

Juells · 01/10/2018 09:39

HRTFT but I think you're too nice. Also, paying them gardener's rates to mow your lawn is a bit insulting, they could have taken the huff over that.

But I must admit I wouldn't want to be that friendly with my neighbours, ever. When ex and I bought our first house I freaked out that a neighbour kept trying to engage me in conversation 😅

They are CF and you should be relieved that they're in a snot with you. It's an easy out from them taken advantage.

thecatsthecats · 01/10/2018 09:40

I'm baffled as to why either side is putting in so much effort. You don't like them but make an exaggerated show of nicey-nicey behaviour, and allow them to put you down, secretly (probably not so secretly) judge their choices too.

Time to demonstrate to your son that it's possible to behave nicely and politely in person with someone you don't like than that you have to have overblown relationships even when neither of you likes the other. Trust me, that's a much more valuable lesson for working life!

Scrumptiousbears · 01/10/2018 09:41

I think, they think, you think you are better than them. Paying them to do your gardening would not have helped.

hertsandessex · 01/10/2018 09:42

Did they vote for Brexit and you are Remainers? Just a hunch :) Brexit seems to have messed up so many relationships so maybe this one too.

Lweji · 01/10/2018 09:43

You are too different, yet you accepted their criticism and did favours for them without return.
Now you've paid them for a favour and they're probably thinking it was a hint that you expected payment for collecting the children.

It's likely they realised that you stopped being doormats by refusing to have their car and paying them for a service. So, they are now thinking you're not worth investing on.

BlancheM · 01/10/2018 09:43

I think I'd be heartily sick of the over involvement if I were in either family to be honest

TatterdemalionAspie · 01/10/2018 09:46

It never ceases to amaze me how much crap people will put up with from others. Why on earth would you continue to engage with people who treat you like this? Confused

They clearly don't like you - they are rude arseholes, they put you down, they openly insult you, they take advantage. Why the fuck would you give them the time of day?!

Oh, and you have helped to create this situation by treating them as though they are superior to you in some way. Why would you do that? Where is your self respect? Confused

greendale17 · 01/10/2018 09:46

I started picking up their kids when I worked from home - neighbours always laughed about my "pin money" job - and continued after I stopped working - neighbours are openly disdainful of me being a SAHM.

^This speaks volumes. I just don’t understand why you persist with being friendly with them and doing favours?

They are jealous of you and your family. The Nigel puts kids attitude to you is so blatant.

thecatsthecats · 01/10/2018 09:46

a fair bit of their advice to us has been based on all sorts of incorrect assumptions about our lives/ideas/opinions.

... but isn't that just par for the course in life? People who don't know you make assumptions, the type of people who like to give advice give bad advice if their assumptions are wrong?

My boss thinks my fiance earns more than me (he doesn't), and suggested when my car broke down that my fiance buy another car for me. I like to think the side eye I gave him withered him into the ground, but he's still twatting around because that's what twats do.