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to think neighbours are cf snobs? Or are we the problem?

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TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:03

Moved into our house 4 years ago. Over time our neighbours on one side have gone from being a bit over-familiar and slightly cf-pisstaking, to being distinctly cold and unfriendly.

We've always chatted to them over the fence/in the street/ at other people's social events. We've invited them to bbqs at our house. We've offered them fruit from our garden. We've been nice to their kids - i.e. interacted with them as human beings with ideas, interests and opinions. We've been openly admiring of one parent's sporting achievements and the other's academic achievements. We've asked their opinions about things they're likely to know about. We've looked after their pets every time they've asked (a lot). I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home, every few weeks for a few years; always had activities, baking, talked to the kids etc.

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense - they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful (even when we felt they had not a clue about our lives). They've kind of taken the piss a bit with the school pickups, never offering any help in return, or any payment. They also wanted to store their (3rd, very large) car on our driveway "since we weren't using the space" - we have one small car. We like having space to use most of our driveway for other things like playing with DS, so we said "that doesn't work for us, sorry, but do come back if you can't find another solution that works". Nothing else was ever said so we assumed their solution was ok.

We went overseas for 6 months recently, and paid the neighbours gardener rates to mow our lawn. We asked well in advance whether that would be something they'd consider, and said it was totally ok if they'd rather not do it as we totally understood if they would rather not spend the time on it. We explained that we were going to get a gardener to do it but figured that the degree of faff in ensuring a gardener was turning up and doing the job, was going to be a bit silly. They said it was totally fine - we paid them before we left - we came home to a well-mowed lawn. We thanked them and gave them presents from overseas, wine and chocolates and a card.

Since that point the relationship seems to have really gone off though. The wife actively avoids talking to us, and is cold, rude and distant to us if involved in a multi-neighbour conversation. The husband is generally more socially competent, so even if he really disliked us would probably be ok to hold a conversation with us, but every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life. The kids are frequently rude (they always have been) but the rudeness is targeted in a way it wasn't before - the parents seem have given the older kid a lot of ammunition of slightly bitchy things to say to us.

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids. DS also goes to the local (rather old fashioned) prep, where he's doing fine, because he can't really cope with the style of teaching at the local state school ("collaborative" - i.e. really loud and noisy and chaotic). We've explained this to the neighbours as a pragmatic choice based on what's right for DS as a child who doesn't deal well with loud environments or stress. They've been very rude about it and told us we aren't educating him to survive in the real world, we're stuffing his head with useless facts and not letting him have a childhood, - and have told other neighbours that there's clearly something wrong with DS and it's no wonder with parents like us.

Are these neighbours just dicks or are we selfish idiots? Or a bit of both?

OP posts:
Alpacanorange · 01/10/2018 17:15

Your op is rather condescending. We give off far more than verbal communication therefore I expect they know you look down from your lofty heights at them.

April2020mom · 01/10/2018 17:42

No more favors for them. Stop talking to them. No more conversations on personal and controversial subjects including education etc for example.
Just stick to the weather and boring topics of discussion from now on. It seems like they are jealous of you guys. Either way I recommend staying cordial and polite around them. Essentially acting like adults especially when DS is within hearing distance of you. No negativity allowed.

PoisonousSmurf · 01/10/2018 17:50

They sound like 'reverse snobs'. They can't stand that you are better than them and by asking them to be your 'gardeners', you've hit a sore spot and they now think you are better than them.
Ignore the CFs!
This is why it's never good to be over friendly with NDN. It always goes wrong in the end Sad.

CaMePlaitPas · 01/10/2018 18:17

Where do you live OP? The 1940s? What a bizarre relationship to have with your neighbours.

NonaGrey · 01/10/2018 19:27

You say you want to model being a good neighbour to your son but you aren’t really.

The reason you aren’t is because this quite clearly isn’t a healthy relationship. There seem to be resentments and lack of respect on both sides.

Doing a long term favour for someone but resenting them
all the while isn’t a positive role model.

Repeatedly gritting your teeth while someone gives you (unasked for and irrelevant) advice isn’t positive behaviour either.

We have always always got on well our neighbours. Our level of interactions are limited to the following:

Nodding and smiling as we pass
Occasional chats about the weather/bins in the driveway
Taking in parcels/being suitably grateful to them for taking our parcels
Communal snow clearing in Winter
Checking on elderly neighbours when it’s very cold or if we haven’t seen them.

Most of our neighbours have never actually been inside our house and vice versa.

Neighbours may become friends over time but it’s really not necessary for harmonious living.

daffodillament · 01/10/2018 20:02

Sounds like you've gone above and beyond reasonable expectations and they have massively taken advantage of your good nature. You need to stop this and as someone else has said, disengage and move on.

mimibunz · 01/10/2018 20:11

Are you in the USA by any chance? I suppose it doesn’t really matter. I think your 6 month hiatus brought home to them that you are doing well in your (academic?) careers and they are dismissive of that. They’ve sniffed you out as liberals perhaps.

Aspenfrost · 01/10/2018 21:44

CaMePlaitPas

Where do you live OP? The 1940s? What a bizarre relationship to have with your neighbours.

I am now imagining Celia Johnson and clipped tones. Lollol

Aspenfrost · 01/10/2018 21:45

Fgs, imagine thinking you have to be besties with your neighbours. You have led a sheltered life, OP.

Aspenfrost · 01/10/2018 21:46

Biscuit?

InionEile · 01/10/2018 22:03

Maybe they just don't like you? It happens. There are lots of people in my neighborhood, school parents etc who I'm sure do not like me for whatever reason. There are people I don't really like as well. There's no need to obsess over it. Just try to stay polite and pleasant when you see them. Nod and smile etc...

I do wonder why you would bother getting into big conversations about education choices. People who send their kids to the local state school will always be a bit chippy if you choose to go private (I say that as someone whose kids go to the local state school, not private myself).

One of my friends went private this year and even our mutual friend, who is normally very reasonable, got a bit annoyed when she found out and said to me she wonders why M doesn't think our school is good enough for her. We all have the same income level so it's not about money but people can be funny. I would just try to get along with them as best as you can for now.

hiddeneverything · 01/10/2018 22:25

I'm wondering if you've just been a bit too intense for them, and they realised that in the six months you were away. I have a friend that wants our children to be best friends and basically offers a play date every week, but I'm not as keen and find it a bit much. Maybe they were just too polite to say no to all your offers of help. Either way, you sound like you are very different to each other and should just exchange pleasantries and that's it xx

AngelSlides · 01/10/2018 22:34

They sound jealous.. and you sound as though you think that they ought to be. Just avoid if they’re not your kind of people.

Rebecca36 · 01/10/2018 22:51

You sound like absolutely fantastic neighbours and your neighbours are complete dickheads.

CSIblonde · 02/10/2018 00:02

It can be a mistake to get pally with people who have a diametrically opposed outlook to yours. Just do distant politeness from now on. Best course of action when things have gone downhill for those reasons.

FruitofAutumn · 02/10/2018 00:52

Envy - pure and simple
Ah the old Mn jealousy chestnut! How on EARTH do you getthat from the Op.
I think they have disliked you all along but have just kept you sweet to do school pickups etc

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/10/2018 03:13

I think it's a bit of reverse snobbery, in all fairness.
They see you as having more money than sense, and being geeky academic types (as you said) who are putting all sorts of woolly liberal ideas into your son's head.

They may be jealous, they may not be - but either way they aren't friends of yours and you should really stop trying to get them to like you.
Do better than them - keep it to civil interactions if and only if necessary - and that doesn't include at neighbour get-togethers. You can chat to everyone else, you don't NEED to chat to them unless they come up to your group or you, and start speaking. Then of course reply in a cool, civil manner - but that's ALL you need to do.

There is absolutely no need to put up with their rudeness. Fuck 'em!

Sommelierrrr · 02/10/2018 06:18

I think it's a class issue as others have said.

And that while your post is carefully worded, you may not be as liberal towards the class difference as you are pretending.

MaisyPops · 02/10/2018 07:41

Alpacanorange
I agree.
But it's always reverse snobbery and jealousy that a child goes to private school on MN.

I'd imagine it's a bit half and half. The OP feels how she does. The neighbour probably could write an alternative one like 'we got on with our neighbours but then when they were jetting off somewhere for months thry asked us to mow the lawn and pay us becaus they didn't want the stress and hassle of having to get a gardener. It's the straw that broke the camel's back really. We did it to be neighbourly but it felt a bit like for 6 months just get a gardener. It's impossible to have a conversation without their child wanting to jump in and find it a bit annoying. They're nice enough people but I feel like they look down on us. Maybe it's best we pull back a bit because clearly we're different people'.

There's always 2 sides.

Juells · 02/10/2018 07:49

Have you considered having counselling on how to establish boundaries? You don't seem to have any, and allowed the neighbours to trample all over yours.

In addition, as I said in a previous post, offering to pay them to mow your lawn was insulting. If someone offered to pay me for manual work I'd take it as a signal that they thought I was of lower social status, and I'd be very pissed off. "Would you come and clean my house, please? I'll pay you the going rate." Hmm

Adversecamber22 · 02/10/2018 08:11

You were exceedingly helpful, no doubt about that. When you say we are geeky academic types what do you actually mean? Are you actual academics? Because that description of yourselves in a read between the lines way makes me feel as if you feel superior to them.

We are all still base animals and people can sniff out things on a subconscious level. They know you look down on them, which you do.

InertPotato · 02/10/2018 08:37

Bluntly, I think they've come to realise they're your 'social inferiors' a bit late in the game and are feeling a bit irritated about it.

I wouldn't dream of offering my neighbours money to do tasks in my absence, that's appropriate only for neighbourhood kids.

peridito · 02/10/2018 08:38

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense

OP doesn't regard herself as geeky academic ,she thinks the neighbours hold that view .

InertPotato · 02/10/2018 08:39

Have you considered having counselling on how to establish boundaries? You don't seem to have any, and allowed the neighbours to trample all over yours.

This is pretty funny. I agree that the OP needs a stiffer upper lip, but counselling? Only on MN. Wink

NicoAndTheNiners · 02/10/2018 08:44

Sounds like they're jealous of the fact that you can afford private education and a six month foreign trip. Ignore them as much as you can. Air of civillity only.