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to think neighbours are cf snobs? Or are we the problem?

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TheMammothWithFuzzyLegs · 01/10/2018 09:03

Moved into our house 4 years ago. Over time our neighbours on one side have gone from being a bit over-familiar and slightly cf-pisstaking, to being distinctly cold and unfriendly.

We've always chatted to them over the fence/in the street/ at other people's social events. We've invited them to bbqs at our house. We've offered them fruit from our garden. We've been nice to their kids - i.e. interacted with them as human beings with ideas, interests and opinions. We've been openly admiring of one parent's sporting achievements and the other's academic achievements. We've asked their opinions about things they're likely to know about. We've looked after their pets every time they've asked (a lot). I've picked up their kids from school and looked after them til the parents got home, every few weeks for a few years; always had activities, baking, talked to the kids etc.

They have always regarded us with a kind of amused tolerance as geeky academic types with no sense - they've always offered a lot of advice on how to live our lives, which we've politely accepted and always made sure we looked extremely grateful (even when we felt they had not a clue about our lives). They've kind of taken the piss a bit with the school pickups, never offering any help in return, or any payment. They also wanted to store their (3rd, very large) car on our driveway "since we weren't using the space" - we have one small car. We like having space to use most of our driveway for other things like playing with DS, so we said "that doesn't work for us, sorry, but do come back if you can't find another solution that works". Nothing else was ever said so we assumed their solution was ok.

We went overseas for 6 months recently, and paid the neighbours gardener rates to mow our lawn. We asked well in advance whether that would be something they'd consider, and said it was totally ok if they'd rather not do it as we totally understood if they would rather not spend the time on it. We explained that we were going to get a gardener to do it but figured that the degree of faff in ensuring a gardener was turning up and doing the job, was going to be a bit silly. They said it was totally fine - we paid them before we left - we came home to a well-mowed lawn. We thanked them and gave them presents from overseas, wine and chocolates and a card.

Since that point the relationship seems to have really gone off though. The wife actively avoids talking to us, and is cold, rude and distant to us if involved in a multi-neighbour conversation. The husband is generally more socially competent, so even if he really disliked us would probably be ok to hold a conversation with us, but every conversation we've had with him has involved him delivering multiple putdowns about us being stupid rich kids, too overeducated and cosseted away from having any idea about the real world to cope with life. The kids are frequently rude (they always have been) but the rudeness is targeted in a way it wasn't before - the parents seem have given the older kid a lot of ammunition of slightly bitchy things to say to us.

As far as we can tell, our sins involve parenting differently from them in that we talk to DS, spend a lot of time with him, include him in conversations or let him do his own thing as he wishes - rather than complaining about him to his face and telling him to eff off and play and then praising his sparky independence and grit behind his back, which his how the neighbours seem to parent their kids. DS also goes to the local (rather old fashioned) prep, where he's doing fine, because he can't really cope with the style of teaching at the local state school ("collaborative" - i.e. really loud and noisy and chaotic). We've explained this to the neighbours as a pragmatic choice based on what's right for DS as a child who doesn't deal well with loud environments or stress. They've been very rude about it and told us we aren't educating him to survive in the real world, we're stuffing his head with useless facts and not letting him have a childhood, - and have told other neighbours that there's clearly something wrong with DS and it's no wonder with parents like us.

Are these neighbours just dicks or are we selfish idiots? Or a bit of both?

OP posts:
themuttsnutts · 02/10/2018 21:18

You sound like my neighbours a bit . They send their children to private school, are well educated with good jobs. My dh and I are blue collar workers.

We are different with different attitudes to childcare, schools, money and, most likely politics but, like you, they're good neighbours and hopefully we are diplomatic enough to steer away from topics where we don't quite mesh. We try not to take without reciprocity, too.

So, in short, regardless of your respective differences, I think they've exposed themselves as selfish oafs and the class issue is a red herring

Travelledtheworld · 02/10/2018 21:27

Wow. We really nice like our next door neighbours on both sides and socialise with them occasionally.
Move on OP and live your own lives !

themuttsnutts · 02/10/2018 21:43

Just a thought. You've been away several months. They've probably found another sucker in that time so don't need you and no longer have to be nice to you.

Oh, and I really hate people making disparaging remarks about my crappy part time job (I've had a few) yet are quite happy to use me for free childcare

Chocolate50 · 02/10/2018 21:51

If you look at the timeframe you've said this all started on your return from 6 months abroad. I think this is a touch of the green eyed monster, maybe they would like to do something like that but can't, and even the snipey comments to you about your life and your DS, very rude but underlying this I suspect that they are simply jealous of you in some way and are too immature to see that, rather they act like children.
I also think you've been way too generous with them and maybe they thought that you would always say yes so when the drive issue raised its head you were suddenly 'changing the rules' and they didn't like that. You weren't wrong though, but I think you were a bit too nice to start with.
Be polite but don't stop and talk, always be busy when you see them approach 'just about to go out' or 'just about to do something or other', but don't get involved it isn't worth falling out with neighbours badly, try not to add any fuel but definitely draw more boundaries with them,

Strongmummy · 02/10/2018 21:53

@TheMammothwithFuzzyLegs - sorry, you swim
20km per week?!?!?! So if you go every day that’s nearly 3km. Really?!?!?! misses point of thread

Strongmummy · 02/10/2018 22:00

Also, there is no way a teacher said that about your son!!!! This thread just doesn’t seem honest to me, sorry

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 02/10/2018 22:14

You have given them way too much attention and they don’t deserve it

From now onwards disengage and stop thinking about them . I know it’s horrible when people fall out but they need to turn into a distant acquaintance rather than the forced closeness

Civil nod and that’s all . Soon you will kind
Of forget about them

angelfacecuti75 · 02/10/2018 22:17

They're twits, cf's and they have taken advantage of you once too often. Be polite if necessary but disengage with them fgs. They're tw**ts who come in all shapes & sizes& in all classes . Narrow minded. No more talking to kids, no more "I'll go out of my way for you". Civil and cold.

SkaTastic · 02/10/2018 22:20

Sorry, you care what they think for what reason? They sound like arseholes. Be polite and that's it from now on.

SandAndSea · 02/10/2018 23:00

You sound like lovely neighbours to me. Flowers

Orxyandcrake · 02/10/2018 23:01

Honestly its absolutely impossible for anyone in this thread to give you an answer.

We can only see one side of the story and there is most likely so much more going on here.

Judging from a tiny glance into the situation, you both seem to be really judgy of each other.

Aside from that just accept that you are not everyone's cup of tea, and likely over the years they have just grown to not like you so much.

That a not to say that you or them are in the wrong, we just don't gel with certain people.

Forget about it and move on.

6SpringCats · 02/10/2018 23:08

I reckon its cos your dc go to indy. It seems to spark something in some people and they become really angst and competitive. It was quite amusing for us as we had always decided on Indy so never really had the whole 'local school discussions the neighbours did and were never part of that group. However when one neighbour also decided on Indy, for much the same reasons as yours, the rest of the local parents cut her completely and called her a snob etc etc

strawberrisc · 03/10/2018 06:21

I avoid neighbours like the plague. I have enough friends.

danigrace · 03/10/2018 06:45

OP it sounds to me like you've been wonderful neighbours and are great parents. People do things differently and that's okay and you have been very accepting of that and much more tolerant of them than many would have been over the years. It's certainly their loss at not having you as a close acquaintance anymore. Please try and not let it effect you too much. C'est la vie.

DeltaG · 03/10/2018 08:31

I reckon its cos your dc go to indy. It seems to spark something in some people

Maybe it's because people who went to, or send their kids to fee-paying schools, consider themselves to be 'better' and 'superior' to those who haven't/don't (whether they care to admit this to themselves or not). And nobody likes to be looked down on for something, especially when that something is largely beyond your own control.

Sadly, this attitude subtly pervades UK society and it's deeply unpleasant.

To answer the OP, I think they sound like piss takers and you sound like you think you're above them. Just be civilised and get on with your lives.

DeltaG · 03/10/2018 08:33

I probably should have said 'some people' in my previous post, as obviously not everyone thinks that way.

6SpringCats · 03/10/2018 09:11

I've never considered myself to be better or superior just bloody lucky that I was able to exercise that choice. But it does spark that kind of reverse snobbery in some people.
Op please move in next to me I promise to appreciate you Grin

Tinkobell · 03/10/2018 09:27

Maybe the OP is one of those people who just looks kinda pleased with themselves, most of the time? It’s a non verbal thing that probably can’t be helped but can have the unfortunate knack of putting out the nose of any grumpy bastards!

catinboots9 · 03/10/2018 09:37

Lol

sleepylittlebunnies · 03/10/2018 11:09

It does sound like there could be some jealousy involved. They both have to work to be able to live in the same kind of house as you whereas you can stay at home and on one wage can afford to live there, send DS to private school and spend six months abroad without needing to rent your house out while paying them gardeners rates to mow your lawn when they have never offered you anything for collecting and looking after their children frequently. Jealous or for some reason feel that your lifestyle and choices devalue theirs or that you have reason to look down your noses at them.

In the six months you’ve been away they have probably found alternative childcare so it might be a good time to politely distance yourself a bit. You can still be neighbourly without being so involved.

sleepylittlebunnies · 03/10/2018 11:10

They’ve probably lost their parking space on your return. Did you allow them to park their third vehicle on your drive while you were away for the six months?

Aspenfrost · 03/10/2018 11:14

Agree with the doubters.

unababy · 03/10/2018 15:53

Life is too short to worry about people's begaviour; be polite when you see them but keep them at arms length. Enjoy the company of people who don't talk about you behind your back.

molington · 03/10/2018 17:34

You have been a wonderful neighbour to these people. Unfortunately they haven’t reciprocated so it’s time to step back- they don’t deserve you so avoid apart from banal pleasantries. Ignore the doubting Thomases on here who are seeking to further undermine your good nature.
The world would be a better place if we had more good neighbours like you.

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