Mixed sex scouts camping

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DD going to America for 3 weeks with scouts for World Jamboree next Summer and we've recently completed the UK unit registration form which asks which gender she identfies as, for purposes of allocating sleeping arrangements. I have a lot of sympathy for people with genuine gender dysphoria but AIBU to be quite concerned that 16-18 yr old boys could potentially simply state that they feel female and end up sharing a tent with DD who will be 16 at the time? I suspect the scout movement feel their hands are tied and this is the only non discriminatory way to deal with this but it just doesn't feel properly thought through in terms of protecting teenage girls away from home for nearly a month I'm pretty sure nobody in Dad's unit identfies other than their biological sex so I don't think it will arise as an issue for her personally but I do feel pretty uncomfortable with the principle and think with a camp of 10000 scouts it might be an issue for some. Did any other parents of jamboree-going scouts have concerns about this? Our AIBU and very un-PC.

No, I had no concerns about this. It sounds like a positive move on behalf of the scout movement, especially in times when some associations only have boy scouts.

Maybe your dd would be better off in guides?

She wouldn't be better off in the guides though as the guides allows males who think they might be 'a girl' to participate

Might be different in different troups, but don't they chose who they share a tent with? So it'll be her choice regardless of who identifies as what.

Mind you I'm in ireland which doesn't seem to have the same issues with gender identity that the UK do, as I read on here. Or at least I've experience none.

Join the guides.I don't know why they join scouts.Why can't boys have a boys only environment

Yanbu, I'd be stating on the form that I expect her to be placed with females, ie same sex and would want to be notified if not.

"Why can't boys have a boys only environment" - haha very funny.

Girls and boys can do it anywhere, anytime. Trust your child.

Sex segregated facilities prevent girls being assaulted, they are also there to ensure privacy and dignity. I would question why anyone would want these removed.

Guiding now welcomes anyone who identifies as a girl/woman - regardless of their physical body or any medical treatment (if any). GGHQ says parents and other girls should not be told.
Also that the trans girl or woman (ie those born with male bodied)should be able to choose to sleep etc with and no one else can complain.

There is a very similar policy in scouting in the UK, except they are slightly more open (going by their website) to informing parents about sleeping arrangements.

As for Scouting being just for boys, they allowed girls to join after a recruitment crisis in the 1970's iirc.
So if you think it should be "boys only" then take it up with them.

Cross out gender, write sex, and specify tent sharing with female bodied people only.
Job done.

It’s not about the OP trusting her daughter. It’s about her daughter having the right to sleep in a male free tent/accommodation and showering/washing without a male being in the same area. It’s about the young woman feeling safe.

She wouldn't be better off in the guides though as the guides allows males who think they might be 'a girl' to participate.

Yes. The Guides allow anyone identifying as female to either be a member (& share sleeping accommodation with the girls) or be an adult volunteer. They reject the notion that there might be any safeguarding issues around this and they don't allow parents to be informed if this is happening.

And then write to the organizers asking what safeguards they have in place for shower facilities. If this is a temporary site, the shower trailers are usually individual cubicles, which shouldn’t be too problematic.
I would ask the questions though. People politely ignoring it and keeping their fingers crossed isn’t working.

Girls and boys can do it anywhere, anytime. Trust your child

It's not about preventing OP's dd having sex, it's about preventing her being assaulted, or perved at.

Honestly some posters seem really happy to throw their own daughters' safeguarding out the window in order to virtue signal.

I don't think it's anything worth worrying about. Even if she does end up sharing with a boy identifying as a girl (v. Remote) the chances of them intending to harm your daughter is even lower. You can't go worrying over every little thing that might happen or you would never leave the house.

Continuing the MN toxic trans-bashing it seems on this thread.

Why OP objects to her daughter getting too close to boys, yet doesn’t have a problem with her joining a boys club that has recently allowed girls to join, rather than join the Girl Guides, is puzzling.

As they say, you can explain it, but you can’t make people understand it.

but you can’t make people understand it.

I credited you with more intelligence collaborate. Are you really happy to have an 18 year old Male watching your 16 year old daughter shower?

rather than join the Girl Guides, is puzzling

Your ignorance is showing. Men and boys are permitted to become volunteers/join if they want to say they are female. The guilt volunteers are not permitted to tell the parents that their daughters will be sharing with males.

Since @ 90% of violence and sexual crime is committed by males and that percentage does not change when men ‘transition’ and call themselves females, I would be very concerned.

Why are girls and boys kept separate if there are no risks?

How is it trans-bashing to want your children safeguarded?

Well I wouldn't object to a hypothetical daughter of mine socialising or taking part in activities with boys.

I would object to her being made to share a room or a tent with someone physically male who she'd only just met.

Maybe I'm a bit touchy on this subject as I was abused by a 16 year old boy (nothing to do with Scouts) and fail to see how anyone can say that there are no safeguarding issues around this.

Guild not *guilt, though the guild association are guilty of deception.

Maybe your dd would be better off in guides?

Technical - you would think. But the Guides have decided that girls who identify as boys should move into Scouts, whereas boys (with a penis) who identify as girls are welcome in Guides, no questions asked. Same for adult men (with penises) who identify as women. Also, their guidance is that parents and children do not need to be informed of this.

In view of a recent conviction you should be worried about the staff.

Boys identifying as girls retain their penises and sex drive and are as likely to be heterosexual as the next teenage male-bodied person. Some male-bodied people assault vulnerable girls and women, especially if given the opportunity.

Anyone assuming that no trans-identifying male-bodied person is a risk to their daughter if placed with them in sleeping accommodation is being a bit naive.

The question is this: would you be happy if the scouts announced they were mixing sexes for all sleeping accommodation, nothing to do with trans-identifying youngsters?

Genuine question.

Why are people uncomfortable with the idea of a trans girl being around their daughter, but presumably not a lesbian girl?

Is the claim that lesbians do not perv or assault (which I agree with) but that there is something inherently rapey about trans people (I disagree)?

Please could somebody clarify for me? I’m genuinely puzzled.

Just

Trans girls have a penis. They can get girls pregnant. They are capable of raping a girl

There is nothing inherently 'rapey" (Ugh, your minimising term) about trans girls; but nor is there any evidence that they don't conform to male patterns of criminal behaviour