Mixed sex scouts camping

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DD going to America for 3 weeks with scouts for World Jamboree next Summer and we've recently completed the UK unit registration form which asks which gender she identfies as, for purposes of allocating sleeping arrangements. I have a lot of sympathy for people with genuine gender dysphoria but AIBU to be quite concerned that 16-18 yr old boys could potentially simply state that they feel female and end up sharing a tent with DD who will be 16 at the time? I suspect the scout movement feel their hands are tied and this is the only non discriminatory way to deal with this but it just doesn't feel properly thought through in terms of protecting teenage girls away from home for nearly a month I'm pretty sure nobody in Dad's unit identfies other than their biological sex so I don't think it will arise as an issue for her personally but I do feel pretty uncomfortable with the principle and think with a camp of 10000 scouts it might be an issue for some. Did any other parents of jamboree-going scouts have concerns about this? Our AIBU and very un-PC.

It's a world scout camp. Don't allow her to go if you don't agree with their inclusive policy.

All they want to do is 'be'. They aren't sexual predators or con artists; they are simply children. - Girlguiding volunteer leader. Well said.

Technical

Why do you think boys and girls aren't allowed to share tents on Scout camp?

Technical

And what does 'inclusive' mean?

Because I don't see anyone here saying trans girls can't go to Scout camp

Ah, Lady, so you think our daughters wouldn’t be able to resist a trans girl’s penis. How bizarre.

titchy please see my previous point:

As for whether tape is about sexual attraction, of course it’s not, but it is in the vast majority of cases linked- heterosexual rapist males typically rape women and homosexual rapist males typically rape men. People don’t have to be ‘sexually attractive’ to be at risk of rape, but generally (not always, but in the vast majority of cases) they do need to be of the sex that the rapist is attracted to. Are you claiming that’s just a coincidence?

People saying ‘lots of evidence’ - it would be really great (not meaning that sarcastically) if you could share that evidence to allow it to be discussed.

Also from the guiding site "Sharing accommodation - young trans members should be able to share accommodation with other young members if they wish. Some trans people may not feel comfortable sharing accommodation so in this case an alternative option should be provided. This should be done discreetly, in conversation with the young person and, if appropriate, their parent or carer. The option of having an alternative accommodation arrangement is open to any young person if it is requested"

The op asked if a parent with a child that has attended an international camp has an issue with this. I did not.
I suggested guides because they limit membership to children that identify themselves as girls.

I'm happy that scouts is a mixed group.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3335962-Frequently-Asked-Questions-FAQs-I-have-noticed-here

It's a lot to take in. But this thread will answer all your questions

it's interesting how, on a forum where I recently read a discussion about the rules governing the ages at which siblings of opposite sexes in social housing aren't supposed to share bedrooms, that I'm seeing people apparently arguing the case for putting girls into sleeping accommodation with male-bodied teenagers.

There are reasons why we segregate youngsters - a teenage boy who says he's now a girl doesn't automatically become one and thereby 'less' of a safeguarding risk than the other boys.

Technical

The problem with this guidance is that it puts no informed consent in the hands of girls. It also puts the onus on them to make way for people with a penis. Feminists have a problem with this

The recommendation from the scouting association is for the use of large tents with separate sleeping pods to allow for privacy. This might seem to be a good way to accommodate all scouts.

Ah, Lady, so you think our daughters wouldn’t be able to resist a trans girl’s penis. How bizarre

Missed this nugget. You really like putting words in my mouth and thoughts in my head.

Lady the first major issue with a daughter sharing a tent with a trans girl was that she could get pregnant through consensual sex (apparently you didn’t mean rape here) and secondly that she could be raped. Your words.

Safeguarding allows for single sex facilities.

Who wants to remove safeguarding? Why?

Nooooooo

I am saying that a girl might end up having consensual sex with a person with a penis. If they are attracted to them. Not such risk could occur if they girl is sharing with a girl.

Really, the smiley isn't some kind of 'gotcha'.

Blimey it's tiring arguing with someone whose only tool is to say 'Oh so you mean... bla bla bla made up thing"

And then to attach an emoticon

I've got lemon drizzle cake to make.

Safeguarding allows for single sex facilities.

Who wants to remove safeguarding? Why?

'Guidance' accepted by a range of organisations dealing with children tells them that transgirls should be accommodated with girls if they want to be and that the girls' parents do not need to be informed.

The girls get no say in it.

As to your question "Who wants to remove safeguarding & why?" - I couldn't possibly comment...

I imagine that if a child is brainwashed enough to believe in transgirl ‘lesbians’she might also believe that she couldn’t get pregnant from unprotected sex with one because a girl doesn’t produce semen.

I had a child at the jamboree in Japan and one in Sweden.

The tents sleep four in two pods of two, and yes both of them got to choose who they shared with. I can't see this being any different in America.

However all UK contingents take condoms with them available to whoever asks and I asked both of mine if they wanted to take their own.

I think every contingent would rather come back with the 36 scouts they took rather than 37.

However all UK contingents take condoms with them available to whoever asks and I asked both of mine if they wanted to take their own.

Yeah..I'm more bothered by the lack of boundaries for the girls and risk of sexual assault in this issue, to be honest.

Which boundaries are those? Because i saw nothing but respect for both sexes from both sexes

All they want to do is 'be'. They aren't sexual predators or con artists; they are simply children. - Girlguiding volunteer leader. Well said.

But that's ignoring that children can be a risk to other children. Child-on-child sexual abuse is more common than people realise.

Which boundaries are those? Because i saw nothing but respect for both sexes from both sexes

I wasn't commenting on your specific experience on that occasion, but discussing more generally the issue at hand in this thread.

I'm sure everyone absolutely trusts the leaders who look after their children - but ask why we still DBS check them. (Clue - safeguarding.)

But the op has asked about other people's experiences and would we be worried.

The fact that the selection process is very stringent with applicants outnumbering places by up to 4:1 in many counties. This process starts up to 18 months before the jamboree.

The fact that every contingent has a number of training camps in the run up to the jamboree and that any one of the scouts can lose their place if their attitude and/or behaviour warrants it. (and that's coupled with the fact that all monies paid up until that point will be lost).

The fact that the scout association recommends that transgender scouts sleep in a pod of their own.

The fact that child on child sexual assaults stands at a figure of 0.21%.
(Figures taken as 32,000 such assaults as reported www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/09/child-on-child-sexual-assaults-soar-police-figures-reveal
In a population of 15,097,000 aged 18 and under from 2011 census here
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom)

No I wasn't worried at all. In fact I'd be more worried about sexual assault happening in school than at the world scout jamboree and they have no choice about going to school

My understanding is that Explorer Scouts can have mixed tents, not even taking into account the trans issue.