To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

YABU.

Puzzled...
You should know better than to support the Tories on MN.. It's asking to be flamed.

Having said that I am not keen on the new approach to social care.. Spend all your cash on beer and skittles all your life and you get free care.. save, buy a house and get it taken from you.

YANBU - but then again I am a conservative voter puts hard hat on

You should know better than to support the Tories on MN.. It's asking to be flamed

That's okay, my shoulders are broad enough to take it

And to be fair, I said "pretty decent on the whole" ; I certainly don't agree with all of it ...

YABU. Social Care and welfare gone. Nice.

By the way Itsnoteasy. I've been on soup and toast for a week because I took my disabled dd away for three days. She hasn't been away for two years. So shove your beer and skittles fallacy. Oh, and I own my house outright because I did work and pay into the system, so I get screwed front, back and sideways.

Yabu.

why the tax cuts though? DH and I will be about £250 per month better off if this gets enacted, vs £200 pm worse off (well at least) if Corbyn gets in.

I'm glad they changed the triple-lock, the FSM meal moving to free breakfast is a fabulous idea. But there isn't enough money for education...

Dawndonagain

It takes a staggering lack of self awareness for someone to complain about getting unfairly "flamed" in one breath, and then to make sweeping, nasty generalisations about those who need help from the system in the next.

Puzzled: there are some things I like about the manifesto, but many I don't and I do worry that some of the policies designed to save money will actually cost more in the long term.

Did they make any guarantees about not cutting PIP further? Will watch the news tonight to get more detail.

It's not bad. I like they have been brave enough to take away the winter fuel allowance. Not every one needs it. Social care and welfare hasn't gone btw. Stop scare mongering!

If you ignore people with disabilities, I'm sure the Tories look like a great option.

I used to work with people with LDs and, although the system wasn't perfect, I was proud of the fact that the UK used to be a place people with disabilities could live. Not subsist or survive; live.

Not any more.

YABU; 1. To believe a word the Tories say, given their track record on basically everything. And 2. To think that they give a rat's arse about disabled/ill/poor/public sector workers/the emergency services/NHS etc ad nauseam.

Yanbu.

Happy enough with that.

Not quite sure why free school lunches are being scrapped and breakfast introduced though.

Did they make any guarantees about not cutting PIP further?

Unless I'm mistaken I don't think that was in there ... ?

I have worked with the public sector for over 30 years as a supplier. They need a jolly good shake up, the waste, the endless meetings about nothing, another meeting arranged with a different set of people. I have particular experience with the NHS. Throwing money at it doesn't work.

For people who don't like what is happening, you have a choice, you make changes or you stick with it.

Watching with interest.

As far as I'm concerned we're back to: If you're not rich, you're stuffed.

Anything significant on the NHS/ Education? No. Why are they farting about with breakfast? I wasn't particularly a fan of the school meals, but breakfast is worse. Is school going to start earlier? Are they going to get catering/ midday staff in for the entire morning instead of starting a bit later and going over lunchtime? A classic example of messing about with details when the main things (funding for SEN, TAs etc.) is less.

ThroughThickAndThin01 The cost for breakfast is far far cheaper to provide than lunch.

You should know better than to support the Tories on MN.. It's asking to be flamed.

I beg to differ - I find MN increasingly Tory the last few years.

Even MN has largely come over all ME ME ME.

As far as I'm concerned we're back to: If you're not rich, you're stuffed.

My feeling exactly. As Theresa May showed on Monday in Abingdon - tell them that you are targetting people who need it, i.e. you Cathy, can go to hell, I am not interested in you.

Sadly though, people will vote for them and then it will be "Oh, we didn't expect this", whine, whine. Be aware of exactly what you are voting for.

Totally agree with you about the public sector, Hillingdon ... I too have more experience of this issue than I care to think about

Unfortunately it's a question of what we're not voting for, with Corbyn, what we don't want to see enacted.

I can never vote labour after tony b....was voting con...but I can't vote for a party that's happy to rip foxes apart...so now what???? Any ideas?

Great manifesto if you are not vulnerable in any sense of the word.

"Did they make any guarantees about not cutting PIP further?

Unless I'm mistaken I don't think that was in there ... ?"
see how much they give a shit.

as for beer and skittles.....yeah right would flame but why bother. posters like that show how dense they are all by themselves\

That makes sense I guess Vladmirs, although I assume it won't be as healthy as lunch.