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To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

909 replies

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 15:45

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

OP posts:
cdtaylornats · 18/05/2017 17:26

As far as I'm concerned we're back to: If you're not rich, you're stuffed.

Same with Labour except if your rich you can leave then the rest of us are stuffed.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/05/2017 17:26

However, what is more terrible is that Labour are offering no cogent alterative and seem perfectly content to lose seats and let the Tories do as they please.

I agree completely.

This was made even clearer when Iain Dale from LBC tweeted that Labour had no one avaliable to go on his show and talk about the Tory manifesto.

This is a station that has MP after MP on it usually.

A day when they have some open goals and there is no one avaliable.

Ridiculous.

Avocuddle · 18/05/2017 17:26

Having read the manifestos I actually think Lib Dems have the best. Think it's a shame that people consider them a wasted vote and write them off. Coming from a "floating voter" who's opted for Conservative the past couple of times.

RainbowsAndUnicorn · 18/05/2017 17:26

What is Theresa May offering her?

An NHS which is likely to have already been heavily used and will continue to be used. The household income in full of not working. Education if required for the child.

LadyPW · 18/05/2017 17:26

Puzzled Flowers Cake Gin
(Dons hard hat over Halo and stands shoulder to shoulder with OP)

ShotsFired · 18/05/2017 17:27

As @NoLotteryWinYet says, it's Unfortunately it's a question of what we're not voting for, with Corbyn, what we don't want to see enacted.

I am voting for what I hope will be the least worst, most affordable and most fiscally responsible outcome for the whole country for the next 4 years in relation to the fact we are stuck with bloody Brexit and things as they are, not how we would all wish them to be in some parallel cloud cuckoo land where everyone gets all their dreams come true. Doing so will affect me negatively too I think.

I am not happy about it but the alternative of the current Labour fiasco ending up in government makes me shudder to think just how far up shit creek we'd get and just how fast we'd be up it.

avocadosripe · 18/05/2017 17:27

Yes, I agree with that too, Piglet

LadyPW · 18/05/2017 17:28

Having read the manifestos I actually think Lib Dems have the best.
They can afford to offer anything & everything, safe in the knowledge they'll never be called on it. A bit like Labour.

WankingMonkey · 18/05/2017 17:28

Having read the manifestos I actually think Lib Dems have the best. Think it's a shame that people consider them a wasted vote and write them off. Coming from a "floating voter" who's opted for Conservative the past couple of times.

Lib dems usually do tbf. Shame Clegg fucked them by getting into bed with Cameron and immediately going back on his main promise about uni fees as they seemed to be picking up a lot of support which has now gone.

Dawndonnaagain · 18/05/2017 17:30

Avocado, thank you for your kind words.

EatingMyWords · 18/05/2017 17:31

AFAIK there are no costings for the Tory manifesto, yet the Labour one has been fully costed!

Not to mention how the Tories are already increasing the deficit massively despite being in power for 7 years. Borrowing at low interest for investment- making new jobs and tax income- seems more sensible than endlessly cutting and making no new jobs.

talkingtofrank · 18/05/2017 17:31

She seems to have missed out many major topics at the moment, she hasn't included anything on students either, I can't see anything on university fees. University fees and housing are both big topics to exclude?

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/05/2017 17:32

AFAIK there are no costings for the Tory manifesto, yet the Labour one has been fully costed!

Tbf the Tories didn't say it would be fully costed.

Labour kept banging on about how it would be and it actually isn't.

Avocuddle · 18/05/2017 17:34

LadyPW I suppose that could be the case, but from what I've read they do seem to be making reasonable arguments about income tax being raised etc. Seems more detailed than what I've read from Labour.

A man knocked on my door canvassing for Labour, demanded that I vote labour and his entire argument was "Corbyn's a decent bloke. Free this, that and the other for everyone." Refused to actually engage in a conversation and expected time to have just said "yeah ok I'll vote labour then" because he'd told me to. I was very Hmm

Avocuddle · 18/05/2017 17:35

Oh just seen that PP have said Labour have fully costed their manifesto so ignore the first part of my last post! I'm off to do some more research and I'll be back when I'm fully in the loop!

Dawndonnaagain · 18/05/2017 17:36

An NHS which is likely to have already been heavily used and will continue to be used. The household income in full of not working. Education if required for the child.
A household income that covers nothing. Not enough heating last winter. Early to bed to save electricity costs. No treats, no extras, just basics. Is that the way people with disabilities should live, Rainbows? Oh, and then there's the fear of the brown envelope. The one that can change everything in a heartbeat. The one I got when sat by my dds hospital bed which shortchanged by by fifty pounds a week. Fifty pounds a week, Rainbows. I couldn't appeal because at that point I had no idea of dds health outcomes and so really wasn't up to it. So we manage, fifty quid a week worse off because the appeal date had gone by the time we were back and semi functioning. People like you make me cry. You don't make me angry anymore, your lack of empathy and comprehension regarding the reality for so many just makes me cry.

Original poster
Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 17:36

LadyPW Wink Wine

Surprised that nobody's mentioned ending the universal Winter Fuel Payments and the proposed increase to the National Living Wage ... I thought those at least might be popular?

Not that there's any guarantee they'll happen, of course ...

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scottishdiem · 18/05/2017 17:37

If you are a nativist xenophobe there is some good stuff in there about immigration. If you made the horrendous mistake of falling in love with a foreigner then maybe Tories and Tory Voters want you to consider your life choices.

Avocuddle · 18/05/2017 17:40

What I will say is I don't think Corbyn's free university education idealism is feasible at all - more universities than ever before, more students and more and more courses. How can free degrees for anybody who wants one be realistically funded??

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 18/05/2017 17:43

What I will say is I don't think Corbyn's free university education idealism is feasible at all - more universities than ever before, more students and more and more courses. How can free degrees for anybody who wants one be realistically funded??

I'm not sure.

Especially as there seems to be no definitive answer on the benefits freeze. It all depends on which Labour spokesperson you speak to.

LadyPW · 18/05/2017 17:43

Oh just seen that PP have said Labour have fully costed their manifesto so ignore the first part of my last post!
But is that fully-costed by Diane Abbott?!! "Yes it will cost between £1 and £1 billion - I'm very certain of my figures this time". Grin (I actually started to feel sorry for her)

nicknameofawesome · 18/05/2017 17:43

Kids don't need a free breakfast either ffs we need the current insane level budget cuts reversing so that schools can pay for basics including enough teachers to actually teach all the kids...

Hillingdon · 18/05/2017 17:45

Well I guess - one thing we know for sure is that the Tories will be in for another 5 years in a few weeks. Labour have ruined it for themselves and I suspect on 9th June even though they could lose well over 100 seats they will claim they did better than expected. I wish we did have a stronger opposition party.

I have lost all sorts under the Conservatives, child benefit, taxes have gone up but its the right thing. I am a higher rate tax payer but I see relatives moaning about not being able to get part time jobs fitting in with school hours, time off for sick child and I do wonder if we have just become too entitled. Work or not we must have the latest everything.

We got burgled last year. They caught the little scumbags. They claimed they were passing by, saw a nice house and apparently the rage and unfairness just hit them and they smashed the window, and rampaged through the house.

They also beat the dog up.

Two 15 year olds and if someone claims they were let down by society, vunerable, single parent etc I will literally scream

kirinm · 18/05/2017 17:48

They said they would be 'encouraging more disabled people into employment' so interpret that as you will - personally I'd see that as more cuts and more 'workfare' type schemes.

Sillysausage123 · 18/05/2017 17:51

How will the free breakfast work? Will kids go in earlier by 10 mins or will they waste lesson time?
I guarantee the 'breakfast' they are selling the idea of will be a single piece of fruit and no cereal or toast etc