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To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/05/2017 15:45

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

OP posts:
JanetBrown2015 · 18/05/2017 16:27

Loads of us on mumsnet support the Conservatives and it will be clear who supports them next month when the results are out. However do vote. I want every mumsnetter who is entitled to vote to do so whatever their political affiliation.

May is far too centre ground for me but is the best we have.

Also the idea Tories are about me me me is totaly wrong. If you give your children all the food/sweets on pay day so you have nothing for them by next Thursday that is not caring for people and yet that is always Labour policies. Conservative policies conserve and ensure we can protect everyone in the UK in the best ways there are to ensure those most in need have protection. Spend spend spend has never been a decent way to protect the less well off but Labour does it time and again.

BaggyCheeks · 18/05/2017 16:28

Other than the other points PP have brought up, this "Every 11-year-old expected to know their times tables off by heart" jumped out at me from the BBC link.

Even in theory that's a fucking ridiculous thing to expect. Implementing it would prove nothing, and it would cause nothing but upset to children who struggle with numbers or have learning difficulties.

Myinsidesareallwrong · 18/05/2017 16:28

I was going to vote Conservative but don't think I can now if they want to bring back fox hunting. Could never vote for Labour or Lib Dems.

Think I am going to have to not vote at all now

EezerGoode · 18/05/2017 16:28

I think it's a forgone conclusion imho...me thinks they will do as they please and still get in

LostSight · 18/05/2017 16:28

I looked at the UKIP website once to check out their manifesto in an earlier election.

It looked pretty decent too. Odd that!

I'm sure it's very well constructed. How much truth it holds about what the Conservatives will actually do is another matter altogether, going on past performance.

MovingtoParadise · 18/05/2017 16:29

None of the stuff they actually DO is in there.

The real manifesto would read:

  1. Yes, we do try and reduce people claiming benefits by making it really hard to do so
  2. Yes it is policy to randomly stop JSA if you can't turn up to sign for them due to a job interview. And you won't get it reinstated for 6 weeks.
  3. Yes it is policy to turn down more than 60% of pip claims even though we're found to be wrong when you appeal
  4. Yes we do KILL people by finding them fit for work even if they've got terminal cancer and they die of MALNUTRITION because we've stopped their benefits
  5. Yes, you can only have 3 nappies a day for your disabled 14 year old unless you travel 16 miles to get more

I mean they're hardly going to write FUCK THE POOR AND DISABLED in their manifesto are they HmmConfused

And when they say 'hard working families' they don't mean you with your average salary, huge childcare bill. They mean ME who earns plenty and who they mistakenly think they need to give a tax cut too.

I don't need a £230 tax cut and Theresa May could come round and offer me oral sex and I still wouldn't vote for her.

In short they can fuck off.

imthelastsplash · 18/05/2017 16:29

Oh hooray free breakfasts - so will they employ lunchtime staff for more hours? Get support staff in earlier? Expect teaching staff to supervise and clean up? What about stop fucking about with stuff and actually put some money into education. There's been loads of threads about how schools are losing classroom support staff because of lack of budget but they can magic up money for breakfast and all it's associated costs?

BaggyCheeks · 18/05/2017 16:29

Why could you never vote Lib Dem or Labour? Not turning up to vote would solve absolutely nothing - at the very least turn up to draw a shitting arse on your ballot paper or something.

neveradullmoment99 · 18/05/2017 16:32

Really? And like they stand by everything they have said in the past.
GET REAL!!!!!
Its ALL LIES!

squishysquirmy · 18/05/2017 16:33

With all manifestos, its what they don't say, and what is written between the lines, that's really important. The policies you would normally object to sound great when wrapped up in a euphemism.

EezerGoode · 18/05/2017 16:33

One of My biggest concerns (selfishly) is house prices and rent my kids won't be able to buy or rent..ever in the area they have grown up their whole lives...it's shocking...I would vote for a party that would tackle that

MerryMarigold · 18/05/2017 16:34

Peregrina: I know the amount of Tory voters who whinge about the NHS, or school funding, makes me want to slap them with a fish. Go figure Tory voters!

EpoxyResin · 18/05/2017 16:34

MovingtoParadise I fucking love you Grin

QuintessentialShadow · 18/05/2017 16:36

It is interesting how I am a conservative in my home country, but have turned labour/libdem on behalf of the UK.... Hmm

GretchenFranklin · 18/05/2017 16:37

JanetBrown If you give your children all the food/sweets on pay day so you have nothing for them by next Thursday that is not caring for people and yet that is always Labour policies

Not true. You've clear no idea how the economy works so you have just made that up. I don't think even the Daily Fail prints such idiotic nonsense so goodness knows what your source is.

Alfieisnoisy · 18/05/2017 16:37

I'm voting Labour, however there are things I like in the Conservative manifesto and things I don't. Much like the Labour one.

For me it is a case of which I agree more with and that's Labour. Not that they have a rats chance in hell of being elected.

Dawndonnaagain · 18/05/2017 16:37

Social care and welfare hasn't gone btw. Stop scare mongering!
Social care has been significantly changed, by 63,000 for some people. Welfare went last time they got in and Teresa May has refused to rule out further cuts to disability benefits. I am not scare mongering. I'm trying to ensure I can afford the heating I couldn't afford last winter, next winter.

HeyHoThereYouGo657 · 18/05/2017 16:40

SOME on here won't listen to life from a different perspective Dawndonna

No , all is well in THEIR world so fuck everyone else .

Tories ? NEVER vote them ever
Labour? Not whilst Corbyn is Leader and racist Abbott there
Lim Dem? No chance
UKIP? Not my cup of tea so another No

I doubt Ill even bother as NONE appeal to me

Dawndonnaagain · 18/05/2017 16:40

JanetBrown, in amongst all that bollocks you listed up there, would you care to explain why people's mobility cars are going back, why I have to choose between me or dd eating a hearty meal, why there are folk who can't afford the heating? Why we should be put in that position? You see, I'd see a disabled dd, with a disabled parent caring for her, thereby saving the government a fortune, would generally qualify as one of those 'most in need' groups, but apparently not. Hmm

PuckeredAhole · 18/05/2017 16:41

itsnoteasybeingdifferent it's always been like that. You work all your life, own a house and have to sell it for care. Always been this way. Sometimes it feels like it's just better in the long run to have lived a life off the state. Then I slap myself and say that I have aspiration.

ahipponamedbooboobutt · 18/05/2017 16:43

Does it matter? How many of their previous manifesto promises are now actually in place?
They can promise you the world, doesn't mean you will get it

HeyHoThereYouGo657 · 18/05/2017 16:44

Having said that I am not keen on the new approach to social care.. Spend all your cash on beer and skittles all your life and you get free care.. save, buy a house and get it taken from you.

Well aren't you a charmer .

Dawndonnaagain · 18/05/2017 16:44

Social Care, a lack of comprehension

DissonantInterval · 18/05/2017 16:44

It appears to come down to which set of lies and errors of omission most appeal to you! Because I don't think either party will delivery what they say they will in the way they say they will.

This time round, whoever we vote for we're screwed. But just screwed in a bit of different way dependent on who gets in (which will be May& Co). So basically as MovingtoParadise so bluntly points out, we shall get "Fuck The Poor And Disabled " big of the Tory Manifesto implemented for starters. God I'm so depressed.

missmoz · 18/05/2017 16:47

JanetBrown2015

Could you elaborate on the idea that the Conservatives will "ensure we can protect everyone in the UK in the best ways there are to ensure those most in need have protection"

So if we cut back further by reducing benefits, disability allowance, tax credits etc., those people currently supported will be forced to find work or better themselves in some way?

And if the don't or cant, then what? They and their children are collateral damage?

What is the ideal situation here? I'm generally asking as to why children born into low income families should suffer further, and who this is protecting?