To consider the Conservatives' manifesto pretty decent on the whole?

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Pretty decent in terms in principles, that is ... as so often with manifestos it's too thin on costings

Main points here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39960311

Full version here: www.conservatives.com/manifesto

So sorry you are being treated like shite DawnDonna
I thought the tories couldn't get any lower but taking money from a disabled person is terrible.
Do hope you'll be ok and I know from your previous posts that you've had a rotten time.
Trouble is folk that haven't experienced hard times will never be able to understand. I fully remember when LTB and once In got out of hospital realised I had four quid !
Only takes a job loss or DV to change someone's outlook doesn't if

God the hypocrisy! Tories say fuck all about how they intend to fund anything - oh well, they didn't say they'd cost everything. Labour fully cost everything and manifesto is revised fully in the press and by the IFS but that's still not good enough because it's Labour and Corbyn.

Face it, most voters are totally partisan and made up they'd minds long ago.

LadyPW nothing had me laughing like Diane ummmming and aaaaahing for what seemed like an eternity and a half trying to do the mental maths of it! I felt pretty horrid after I must say

Free breakfast will likely be because of the amount of teachers who come out and say that their pupils have said they haven't had any breakfast...how hungry kids don't learn and so on.

DSS goes to 'breakfast club' at the moment. They get a choice of cereals, toast or fruit, or all 3. Costs like 20 quid a week like so I imagine it will be similar to that? He is only sent there really as his mum tends to start work really early so its easier for her to deposit him there (an hour early for school...doesn't cut into lesson time) plus all his mates go too.

Avo - did you find Philip Hammond doing the same thing as funny or Amber Rudd getting police salaries wrong?

I've just read it through. So they've already made cuts to parents, to young people, to the disabled, to schools and to hospitals so how they are focusing their cuts on the elderly. It's utterly disgraceful. and even more pressure being put on schools with all 11years olds knowing times tables - yeah in an ideal world where SEN doesn't exist of course. We will just end up with teenage parrots - can recite but no clue of the concept. My god it's awful.

It says on P7 about supporting people with long term health conditions...but in the context of older people. I wonder if they will start to means test PIP as well... what do you think? Not sure about the other benefits such as Attendance Allowance or Carer's Allowance..

Labour fully cost everything

No they didn't

Oh and no Leveson 2 because that would upset the pay masters.

It is not the poor elderly though, they will still get care and the fuel allowance.

I wonder if they will start to means test PIP as well... what do you think? Not sure about the other benefits such as Attendance Allowance or Carer's Allowance.

No they won't means test PIP.

Carers allowance is already means tested.

AFAIK there are no costings for the Tory manifesto, yet the Labour one has been fully costed!

I think the reason for that is because Labour have for the past 2 years promised a fully costed manifesto, some of it isn't costed either.

That wasn't the tory's stance, but the IFS (which to some on here is right wing conspiracy" on the manifesto said it was financially very modest - nothing that indicated any significant shifts in economic policy.

That obviously could and most probably will change once we hit Brexit properly, but you cannot put measures in place until that has happened

Ok I'm not even reading those links because I'm disgusted by anyone who can support the torries simply on the premise that they want to bring fox hunting back.

Yes, so it is. I forgot that. (carer's).Some stuff on disability and having a 'sustainable system' hmm, not much detail and lots of getting millions of the disabled into work...

Thought the stuff on domestic violence and refuges looks better.

kirinm yep! As I've said I'm a floating voter and have no staunch allegiances with any political party. I vote depending on the current climate and who I believe is offering the most reasonable manifesto. Diane Abbot was mentioned by a PP and I agreed. Doesn't mean I don't find other politicians' cock ups equally as cringe inducingly funny!

Portia

monkey I do think the fox hunting thing is a red herring completely to divert attention from more pressing matters (not that I agree but don't think it should be the centre of attention)

o schools and to hospitals so how they are focusing their cuts on the elderly. It's utterly disgraceful

Whats quite funny about this is, (and I am not accusing you directly) but the general tone has always been that they would never touch the elderly vote because of voting demographics/pulling up the ladder whatever, but now that they have proposed some kind of means testing its channelled through the partisan tunnel vision to become another emotive argument to rile against.

I think they should definitely find nurses training, nothing about that. Hmm.

I do think the fox hunting thing is a red herring completely to divert attention from more pressing matters

Is it the russians ??

It's not some clandestine move believe it or not, my inlaws and my own parents who have never voted tory in their life live in the countryside and where appalled at the fox hunting ban, I agree with the ban personally but don't think the support for this is tied down political lines, its far from it.

YABVU

It is interesting hearing different views on here and elsewhere.
Speaking one of my 18 year olds earlier issues of money are not important (lucky young people if they are just studying/going to university); for him student fees aren't either (as I pay them although I call that my hedge - if Corbyn gets in I save £9250k per year per twin if he brings it in quickly).

He is like I am very pro immigration (he is very anti T May on a whole range of grounds). That tends him to the lib dems he says.

The foxes - think of the poor little foxes with their little fluffy tails. .... he is waiting for our current MP to express a view. Our MP has sensible kept quiet on the issue. I jokingly said a few weeks ago this issue might be the one to unite the famiy (instead as ever we are divided on it) I do point out all this suggest May is bringing back hunting is of course totally untrue. It is just there will be a free vote - a very different matter.

I can't remember his other issues.

Pity I never breed cloned children who share my views.

I imagine 'helping disabled into work' will be more of the kind of thing we saw with ESA fairly recently. Pulling down the work related activity group payments to be the same as jobseekers allowance. So...more cutting. Maybe a few 'workfare schemes' thrown in for good measure too. It just sickens me the way disabled people are viewed as such a...burden to the Tories. or it seems that way.

Very surprised to see any reference to cuts to OAPs though. very very surprised as usually its all promises of more money for the pensioner vote. Though I guess...sadly..May could write whatever the fuck she wants, do whatever she wants and the Tories would still win by a landslide.

Just I think it's important to a degree but the huge amount of attention it's getting is attention drawn away from more important debates like social care, education, benefits, disability support... the list goes on. And on. And on. It's not the most important thing that people should be considering IMO.

Concerning the cuts for OAPs, and to be fair, I imagine others parties will thank them for grasping the nettle on this as it's surely needed doing for ages

No doubt they looked at their poll lead and worked out this was as good a time as any to make the changes