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Ian Brady, AIBU

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SayHelloDoris · 16/05/2017 00:47

I just need to vent here as the people or Facebook love a bandwagon to jump on.

No, of course he wasn't going to announce where the boy was buried. He's kept it secret for all those years, do you really think he would've told anyone at the last minute? No. He hasn't the empathy for it. Basic Criminal profile will tell you this ten times over. You cannot expect mercy and closure from such a human monster.

Furthermore, no, torture and the death penalty shouldn't be brought back. Firstly, basic human rights, regardless of who you are, and secondly, and most importantly, blurred lines. Yes, Ian Brady most certainly deserved it however where will these penalties stop? Will there be falsely accused individuals throughout the years if it was brought back into practise? Probably.

Anyone else agree with anything I've said? Yes, he was a despicable human being but he didn't think like us and isn't of a normal thinking. He was truly a monster is human form. Natural human empathy cannot be expected by such killers.

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SayHelloDoris · 16/05/2017 00:55

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crazywriter · 16/05/2017 01:08

I'm with you on it all. No he wasn't going to tell anyone sadly. Those who got their hopes up for him to say something on his death bed were sadly misguided into the way his mind worked. I have a fascination for criminal psychology and mindset and accepted 15 years ago hay he would never say anything (I'm in my early 30s).

As for the death penalty I've never agreed with it. Definitely not torture. Information given under duress could be made up just to stop the torture happening. Just one innocent person being tortured and killed is too many IMO to justify it. And there definitely are innocent people arrested. I recently read of an anniversary of a man accused and found guilty of murdering his family and 12 years later the neighbour confessed to doing it!

MarcelineTheVampire · 16/05/2017 05:05

Agreed.

Whilst obviously the thought of innocent people being killed due to the death penalty is abhorrent and is a risk- my main argument is that is doesn't work anyway. It has been proven that it doesn't act as a deterrent in crime and it is also costly - in America, which our system would have to be similar to, prisoners are kept for years whilst they go through the various appeals process so it's not as easy as 'kill them, why should we pay for them' - you may end up paying more in taxes.

haveacupoftea · 16/05/2017 05:09

YANBU. It's amazing how many frothy mouthed people on Facebook don't understand why human rights for everyone are essential. But then it seems to be a cesspit of idiots anyway.

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 16/05/2017 07:20

I used to drive under Jades Crossing every day. The money spent keeping Bradey alive could have built that bridge and many many more.

What is more important? A childs life or a "principle"?

JoshLymanJr · 16/05/2017 07:25

What is more important? A childs life or a "principle"?

Executing Brady would not have saved anyone's life.

WellErrr · 16/05/2017 07:26

I agree, I wouldn't want to see the death penalty brought back. And am also unsurprised he didn't give out any info.

But I hope he bloody suffered.

starsinspring · 16/05/2017 07:28

I'm just rolling my eyes at the 'rot in hell' comments on here.

If you believe in hell, you believe in redemption.

HoneyDragon · 16/05/2017 07:29

Why can't you vent on Facebook?

TheSecretMrsFairbrother · 16/05/2017 07:35

If Hindley and Brady had been executed in the sixties then Pauline Reade's body would never have been recovered.

KungFuPandaWorksOut16 · 16/05/2017 07:36

Correct me if I am wrong (I more than likely am)

I thought both Hindley and Brady both went up to the moors, trying too pin point where Keith Bennets body was. They pointed to a place and he wasn't there. Hindley was certain that is where they buried Keith. Theory being that the moors move, so did the body.

Have I remembered this wrong? I just thought they genuinely can't remember where they buried Keith or is this me being a massive gullible twat Blush

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 16/05/2017 07:37

Josh,
The reason that KCC didn't build the crossing was because they didn't have the money. If the mney spent on Bradey had been used to build the crossing it would have saved a life.

feathermucker · 16/05/2017 07:38

I don't believe that the death penalty will either deter murderers or prevent serious crime. I'm a nurse, so believe in everybody's right to the sane treatment as it's one of the founding principles of our NHS.

However, I'm certainly not going to feel any sorrow at his passing.

wherethewildthingis · 16/05/2017 07:38

Can you not call Keith Bennett "the boy" please. Please use his name.

WeirdAndPissedOff · 16/05/2017 07:41

As far as costs go, I believe it costs more to execute a prisoner - as a pp said they are kept alive for years, sometimes as many as 10, then you have the court costs of appeals, more appeals, and the execution itself.

I do believe Ian Brady would have deserved anything that could have been thrown at him, but he was a very very rare kind of person who is truly a monster and irredeemable.

user1471545174 · 16/05/2017 07:45

I don't think people saying rot in hell necessarily believe in a place called hell. It's just a figure of speech. It's hard to give sufficient vehemence to feelings sometimes without sounding frothy.

As a child of that time, I wouldn't have worried about his 'human rights' had they elected to put pressure on him. He was a waste of oxygen however you look at it. There's no actual virtue in being against the death penalty in all circumstances, it's just a different opinion.

I think he knew where Keith Bennett was; it was the last card he held.

starsinspring · 16/05/2017 07:46

Maybe not user but it still makes for seriously uncomfortable reading.

Iris65 · 16/05/2017 07:47

I agree with you. That man was sick. We don't know enough about neuroscience to diagnose the specific differences but he was definately completely off the scale of normal behaviour.
He needed to be detained for life and we need to identify similar individuals at a young age so that we can intervene and manage them before they hurt themselves and others.
Torture and the death sentence have no place in a civilised society. If someone did what Brady did to my child I may have the same desires but I would want to live in a society that prevents that sort of sadism to perpretrator or victim.

JoshLymanJr · 16/05/2017 07:50

The reason that KCC didn't build the crossing was because they didn't have the money. If the mney spent on Bradey had been used to build the crossing it would have saved a life.

Kent County Council were not responsible for paying for Brady's incarceration in Durham or Ashworth, so their lack of funds had nothing to do with his continued imprisonment.

TheNaze73 · 16/05/2017 07:51

I'm really torn on the death penalty. Of course, I don't agree with it. It's not a deterrent, I don't trust authorities with DNA & the thought of it is barbaric. However, if something happened to one of my friends or family, I'm sure emotively, my feelings would be different.
I just feel so sad that the Bennett's never got their closure.

Frillyhorseyknickers · 16/05/2017 07:52

On a practical point, Moorland is made up of peat, and peat has the characteristic to move. It holds an awful lot of moisture together with the sphagnum and when it gets to saturation point, it will run like quick sand and has almost river like qualities.

Now there is every chance that body was buried in an area higher up and not prone to water logging, but equally, if it hadn't, the body could have "run" several hundred meters, even more, with high rainfall, and still be well under the surface of the moors.

It's why moorland is so dangerous, because if you're not familiar with where you are, you can hen stuck in a peat bog.

wonderingsoul · 16/05/2017 07:53

I hope in hes last attempt to be for ever famouse he put where poor keiths body was burried in hes menifesto that he gave to hes solicitors to be read after hes death.

ghostyslovesheets · 16/05/2017 07:57

people shouting about the death penalty need to remember that the death penalty was in place when they where killing people - it didn't stop them

Mise1978 · 16/05/2017 08:03

I thought he was suffering from a form of Dementia? If so, he wouldn't have been able to tell anyway. I thought he had already begun suffering from it when his partner in crime died?

RedHelenB · 16/05/2017 08:04

If that waste case if I was a solicitor I would have"leaked" the information. I do hope for Keith's family that he is found.