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Ian Brady, AIBU

176 replies

SayHelloDoris · 16/05/2017 00:47

I just need to vent here as the people or Facebook love a bandwagon to jump on.

No, of course he wasn't going to announce where the boy was buried. He's kept it secret for all those years, do you really think he would've told anyone at the last minute? No. He hasn't the empathy for it. Basic Criminal profile will tell you this ten times over. You cannot expect mercy and closure from such a human monster.

Furthermore, no, torture and the death penalty shouldn't be brought back. Firstly, basic human rights, regardless of who you are, and secondly, and most importantly, blurred lines. Yes, Ian Brady most certainly deserved it however where will these penalties stop? Will there be falsely accused individuals throughout the years if it was brought back into practise? Probably.

Anyone else agree with anything I've said? Yes, he was a despicable human being but he didn't think like us and isn't of a normal thinking. He was truly a monster is human form. Natural human empathy cannot be expected by such killers.

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Iris65 · 16/05/2017 17:19

When I was a student nurse I was working in theatres and was asked to escort a guy just before the surgery. He was very anxious and tearful. Held my hand and I reassured him up until th epoint he was unconscious. Another staff member told me that he has a convicted rapist in for surgery to a broken nose after he'd been assaulted in prison.
I don't regret my actions because I want to be part of a decent society that provides care regardless of who you are and what you have done. So I hope that the nursing staff didn't feel conflicted.

Iris65 · 16/05/2017 17:20

*told me afterwards

pictish · 16/05/2017 17:28

I find it interesting that so many people express their vitriol and disgust for violent criminals by detailing violent and explicit fantasies of their own.

Butterymuffin · 16/05/2017 17:35

Don't believe in the death penalty. It was fitting to keep him in prison and refuse him the choice of when to die, as that was what he really wanted. That and to know he was causing misery and suffering.

pictish · 16/05/2017 17:40

Rainbow - I think the same. Hardly coveribng themselves in pious glory are they?

I remember seeing a video a few years ago of an 11 yr old girl bullying an autistic boy on the way home from school. It was a harrowing watch and it is true to say her conduct was disgraceful. However, what was notably more concerning to me was the amount of adults in the comments expressing graphic and lurid violent fantasies about what they'd like to do (or see done) to this 11 year old girl. So fucked up, yet no one raised an eyebrow.

Dianneabbottsmathsteacher · 16/05/2017 17:53

People say many things in the heat of the moment really don't mean and would never do but very few people torture and kill children.

I think best focus your disgust for them really don't you?

Elendon · 16/05/2017 18:01

I agree with everything you say.

The Guildford Four would have been hung and they were innocent. Many people were hung and innocent. Capital punishment is the sign of an uncivilised society.

He was never going to say and I hope his ashes are never scattered on the Moors - repulsive.

pictish · 16/05/2017 18:01

I'll focus on whatever occurs to me, thanks. And it occurs to me there are rather a lot of people who reveal themselves to be rather unsavoury when they think it's going to be publicly acceptable.

Elendon · 16/05/2017 18:02

Pictish I said similar last night and was asked was I drunk?

PortiaCastis · 16/05/2017 18:02

A vile child murderer is dead.
That is all

Dianneabbottsmathsteacher · 16/05/2017 18:07

I don't believe in capital punishment either as Colin stagg etc would be dead now if it was here.

However crimes like this do generate huge revulsion and people do vent but I think that's a mark of how repulsed they are and not how secretly violent we are are.

Two very different things.

PortiaCastis · 16/05/2017 18:08

Why does the murdering bastard deserve any publicity or attention.

pictish · 16/05/2017 18:23

Agreed Portia.

Mise1978 · 16/05/2017 18:23

Nurses and Doctors have a duty of care for their patients. The patient's non medical history is not suppose to come into play. I am sure it was hard for whoever was caring for him.

If he wanted to die, probably there wasn't much intervention anyway near the end. Just pain relief.

And I read he'd been in a psychiatric hospital before this for a long time. His past is what got him there. So those carers probably think in a different way than the average Joe, regarding him.

haveacupoftea · 16/05/2017 19:27

Portia because the discussion regarding human rights for all human beings, and the death penalty is an important one. Evaluating societies attitudes towards the treatment of prisoners is a useful exercise especially in these times of rapidly rising intolerance. If our current Government senses a public desire for human rights to be eroded they'll damn well start dismantling ours even further and the EU isn't there to protect us for much longer. The UK is becoming a terrifying place and it doesn't just affect prisoners, it affects all of us. Particularly the poverty stricken and disabled, although it's hard to imagine how they could have even more stripped from them than they have already.

PortiaCastis · 16/05/2017 19:28

That murdering bastard forfeited his human rights the day he killed a child

Instasista · 16/05/2017 19:30

I totally agree with you but I don't understand your desire to control other people's views on the matter and shut down their debate (which is what your frustration seems to be about)

PortiaCastis · 16/05/2017 19:32

No, I just do not see why a convicted murderer deserves publicity

JudeeLevinson · 16/05/2017 19:40

He was having a bloody awful time in prison and that's enough for me. Too easy to hang him, he got exactly what he deserved. He loved control and it all got taken away from him. The Keith Bennett mystery was his only control over anything. He thought he was chocolate, that man did. Glad he's gone.

Instasista · 16/05/2017 19:46

Sorry Portia that was in response to OP not you Smile

"Today 17:28 pictish

I find it interesting that so many people express their vitriol and disgust for violent criminals by detailing violent and explicit fantasies of their own."

Why is it you find that interesting? It's fairly common and usual human behaviour

PortiaCastis · 16/05/2017 19:50

Ok insta

Teutonic · 16/05/2017 19:52

No, I don't believe in hanging him or anyone else. Such an action would bring me down to their level, a murderer. Legal, illegal, murder is still murder.
Much better would be to have him and others like him exist, not live, but exist, in a small bare concrete cell with nothing more than is necessary to sustain his miserable existence.
No visitors, no phone calls, no mail. No t.v or radio. Nothing.
Just him and stark grey walls for company.

shinyredbus · 16/05/2017 19:53

I bet the the families of the poor murdered children would have probably wanted him to face the death penalty. If it was my child - without a shadow of a doubt. I think it's all nice saying how appalling the death penalty is and what about human right issues etc etc - Ian Brady certainly didn't give two flying fucks about the children's human rights now did he?

TwatParking · 16/05/2017 19:53

Agreed OP.

Personally I have never understood the death penalty as a punishment. Punishment is to live with the consequences and knowledge of your actions, death gets you out of that. Death isn't a punishment, it's a release. An early release form your punishmment.

JoshLymanJr · 16/05/2017 19:55

Ian Brady certainly didn't give two flying fucks about the children's human rights now did he?

So the judicial system should work by standards which are no higher than Ian Brady's?