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Ian Brady, AIBU

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SayHelloDoris · 16/05/2017 00:47

I just need to vent here as the people or Facebook love a bandwagon to jump on.

No, of course he wasn't going to announce where the boy was buried. He's kept it secret for all those years, do you really think he would've told anyone at the last minute? No. He hasn't the empathy for it. Basic Criminal profile will tell you this ten times over. You cannot expect mercy and closure from such a human monster.

Furthermore, no, torture and the death penalty shouldn't be brought back. Firstly, basic human rights, regardless of who you are, and secondly, and most importantly, blurred lines. Yes, Ian Brady most certainly deserved it however where will these penalties stop? Will there be falsely accused individuals throughout the years if it was brought back into practise? Probably.

Anyone else agree with anything I've said? Yes, he was a despicable human being but he didn't think like us and isn't of a normal thinking. He was truly a monster is human form. Natural human empathy cannot be expected by such killers.

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Teutonic · 16/05/2017 19:55

Meant for add.
A prison like the one in Colorado would be perfect.

PietariKontio · 16/05/2017 19:56

So he was diagnosed with a mental illness, and was mentally ill when he carried out his crimes. Yet, people still wish for his suffering.
Mental illness is used too often as an explanation for horrendous crimes, but in this case he was ill.
Clearly his crimes meant he needed to be placed somewhere that he didn't pose a threat to others, but beyond that I can't wish further consequences on him.
It seems that there's a picture of a mentally ill criminal that people accept, but he didn't match that, and there's a range of crimes that society will accept that they can't get vengeance for, by his don't fit that either.

NapQueen · 16/05/2017 19:58

I dont think we ought to bring back the dealth penalty but I think anyone given life should be in for life and everyone on life should have a DNR on them. Why waste the effort.

Instasista · 16/05/2017 19:58

twatparking that is no punishment if you don't care about the suffering you've caused is it? Or worse- you positively get off on it.

pirtarikonito- his mental illness didn't cause him to kill the children though did it? A mental illness in itself is no excuse for anything.

PietariKontio · 16/05/2017 20:02

Sorry Instasista, but how do you know his mental illness didn't cause him to kill? And yes, sometimes, a mental illness is an excuse for a lot of things.

It's very annoying when mental illness is used to explain terrible acts, as most mentally unwell people are not a risk to others, but that doesn't mean it's NEVER the reason

Aeroflotgirl · 16/05/2017 20:05

I think people are using mental health illness to explain why he did what he did, as it is just too difficult to farthom, how human being can murder children and do what he and MH did to them. If the death penalty was brought back, those two thoroughly deserved it.

Fluffypinkpyjamas · 16/05/2017 20:05
Biscuit

The boy?! Use his name ffs it was Keith Bennett. One of the children he and MH snatched, tortured and murdered, taping their torture and the childrens screams and pleas to see their parents.

You should save your sympathy for the victims and their families.

StickThatInYourPipe · 16/05/2017 20:07

I believed fully in the death penalty until I watched 'The Execution Of Gary Glitter'

Totally changed my mind after that show, can't quite put my finger on why it just made me feel very odd.

Instasista · 16/05/2017 20:07

Because the legal system allow for that investigation and defence.

What makes you think it should've been taken into consideration? Is there a miscarriage of justice I've not known about?

PortiaCastis · 16/05/2017 20:08

Winnie died never knowing where her son lay.
How fuckin cruel that bastard was, rotting in hell is to good for him. I really hope he suffered as much pain as those poor children.

Aeroflotgirl · 16/05/2017 20:10

Exactly, he tortured that family until the end, how evil is that! Winnie, Keith Bennett's mum, died not knowing where her son was laid. I hope that they are reunited now in another life.

KERALA1 · 16/05/2017 20:13

I can hardly bear to read anything on this. I wish I hadn't read some of it,.

I hope their physical and mental states and backgrounds were picked apart by professionals to try to understand how they got like this to try and prevent individuals like this acting out in the future.

Rip lovely children

FruitCider · 16/05/2017 20:13

So he was diagnosed with a mental illness, and was mentally ill when he carried out his crimes. Yet, people still wish for his suffering.
Mental illness is used too often as an explanation for horrendous crimes, but in this case he was ill.
Clearly his crimes meant he needed to be placed somewhere that he didn't pose a threat to others, but beyond that I can't wish further consequences on him.
It seems that there's a picture of a mentally ill criminal that people accept, but he didn't match that, and there's a range of crimes that society will accept that they can't get vengeance for, by his don't fit that either.

I could not have said this better myself!

The man was ill... he had psychopathy and was detained under the mental health act. Since when was it ok to wish for the torture and killing of someone with a mental illness of such a nature and degree that he lacked capacity for his actions? Yes, his crimes were hideous, and we will never forget them, but he was unwell, hence being in hospital and not prison!

StickThatInYourPipe · 16/05/2017 20:13

Instasista I agree with you, the illness didn't force him and MH to commit those awful crimes. It's also no justification IMO and I hope wherever he is now he is suffering, just like Little Keith's mum who died never knowing where her son was.

RIP Kieth

MaggieLightBlue · 16/05/2017 20:15

Yanbu. Completely agree. He was a fucking truly evil monster who deserved a slow death in prison.

He said he commited the murders as an 'existential experience'. He was very clearly out of his mind. I would be very interested to know why he was/became so evil.

May he rot in hell Angry

May his victims rest in peace Sad

Instasista · 16/05/2017 20:18

Ian Brady was not found to have diminished responsibility.

Why are you using an illness to excuse murder?

TwatParking · 16/05/2017 20:18

twatparking that is no punishment if you don't care about the suffering you've caused is it? Or worse- you positively get off on it.

The punishment was his loss of liberty, a liftetime with no say in his environment, his doctor, his future etc. You can't imagine he was happy with all that?

TwatParking · 16/05/2017 20:21

I hope their physical and mental states and backgrounds were picked apart by professionals to try to understand how they got like this to try and prevent individuals like this acting out in the future.

Agree with this.

StickThatInYourPipe · 16/05/2017 20:22

Instasista they both knew exactly what they were doing.

FruitCider · 16/05/2017 20:22

Ian Brady was not found to have diminished responsibility.

No, he was found not to have diminished responsibility during sentencing, it was many years later during thorough psychiatric assessment he was determined to be detainable under the mental health act by the ministry of justice, how can you be so certain of the quality of mental health assessments during trial? Or are you just choosing to ignore the fact that he was in a hospital rather than a prison?

Aeroflotgirl · 16/05/2017 20:25

Whatever his reasons for murdering those vulnerable and defenceless children, he is still and evil monster in my books. What treatment did he have in Broadmoore, as he was still the same until the very end, with no empathy or remorse, selfish, self centred, and evil.

Instasista · 16/05/2017 20:26

twatparking I was responding to your post below, which doesn't mention loss of liberty.

"Punishment is to live with the consequences and knowledge of your actions, "

Fruit- it's neither here nor there whether he was in a hospital. All that matters is whether he was of unsound mind when he committed those murders. There is no evidence he was, so not sure why you're arguing it should influence ones view of IB.

FruitCider · 16/05/2017 20:27

His case is interesting actually, because it's well known that personality disorders develop in teens and early 20s. Yet he was not diagnosed with mixed antisocial and narcissistic personality disorder until 1985. I feel his mental health needs were probably ignored until they became unmanageable in prison.

Aeroflotgirl · 16/05/2017 20:27

If he had an ounce of remorse, he would have revealed the whereabouts of Keith Bennett.

FruitCider · 16/05/2017 20:28

What treatment did he have in Broadmoore

He wasn't at broadmoor! Some people have mental health problems of such a nature and degree that they never recover. I've worked with men in medium secure hospitals that have been in hospital for decades.