Ian Brady, AIBU

[SayHelloDoris]

I just need to vent here as the people or Facebook love a bandwagon to jump on.

No, of course he wasn't going to announce where the boy was buried. He's kept it secret for all those years, do you really think he would've told anyone at the last minute? No. He hasn't the empathy for it. Basic Criminal profile will tell you this ten times over. You cannot expect mercy and closure from such a human monster.

Furthermore, no, torture and the death penalty shouldn't be brought back. Firstly, basic human rights, regardless of who you are, and secondly, and most importantly, blurred lines. Yes, Ian Brady most certainly deserved it however where will these penalties stop? Will there be falsely accused individuals throughout the years if it was brought back into practise? Probably.

Anyone else agree with anything I've said? Yes, he was a despicable human being but he didn't think like us and isn't of a normal thinking. He was truly a monster is human form. Natural human empathy cannot be expected by such killers.

[Tiptoethr0ughthetulips]

I don't really think the death penalty should be brought back, but I certainly couldn't have got upset about any retribution served to those two monsters. It's impossible to understand such an evil mind and I agree that it's highly unlikely anyone knows where poor Keith is buried, despite being deprived of his liberties for decades Brady went to the grave still with that little bit of power.
Very sad that this creature was able to breath the same air as us for 79 years.

[BurnTheBlackSuit]

It was a lot more of a punishment for him to have a long and lingering death than to have had the death penalty imposed back in the 60s.

Also, you can't blame people for hoping that Keith's whereabouts would be disclosed on his death bed. It's less about thinking it would happened and more about hoping it would happen.

[UrsulaPandress]

I've said this on the other thread. There is no way that he could pinpoint where Keith's body was buried after all this time. The moors are very hard to pin down and as someone said uptbread the peat moves.

RIP Keith.

[moutonfou]

Agreed. Forcing a psychopath to live out their days as a nobody without the freedom or power they thrive on is a worse punishment imo than killing them.

My only slight niggle is the amount of money that has probably been spent on Brady's care, fighting his court cases, etc.

[MorrisZapp]

Their crimes were unimaginably cruel and the pain still resonates now. But the death penalty absolutely isn't the answer. No civilised society bases it's justice system on revenge.

And apart from the moral debate, how does it work in practice? Which murderers get prison and which get death? It's just unworkable.

[TheSecretMrsFairbrother]

Ghosty, exactly. The death penalty wasn't a deterrent in this case and I doubt it ever is.

If the fear of execution was that much of a deterrent, places like Texas and Florida would have a zero murder rate

[Laiste]

Keeping Keith's whereabouts a secret was Brady's last way to hurt/torture anyone. It was enjoyable for him to know that Keith's mother was in pain and that he was prolonging it. That's who he was.

[jay55]

The death penalty requires exocutioners. That is too big an ask of anyone of sound mind.

[NormaSmuff]

i wonder what it was like for the nurses caring for him? quite difficult i imagine.

[NormaSmuff]

i dont know why they force fed Brady

[TheSecretMrsFairbrother]

Morris in regards to your second question, in US states which have the death penalty, people who are poor, black and with low IQ are disproportionately more likely to end up on death row.

[RedHelenB]

Well by doing that hecdidnt get his own way and as he was mentally ill and not of sound mind then they couldn't allow suicide.

[IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday]

ghostly people shouting about the death penalty need to remember that the death penalty was in place when they where killing people - it didn't stop them

This is what I was going to post! The Dealth Penelty didn't stop them from murdering those children.

[IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday]

Norma I was also thinking of the nursing staff this morning. They must have been very conflicted

[TrojanWhore]

YABU for starting the third thread about this.

Why couldn't you vent on one of the others (particularly the one that is in AIBU already).

I know I sound cross, but that's partly because I'm cross about the amount of headlines and broadcast news this death is getting. And seeing multiple threads being started here is treading on the same corn.

[LastGirlOnTheLeft]

I'm not sure about your argument against the deaths penalty. You say everyone deserves basic human rights, then say that Brady was a monster in human form and that he lacked humanity. So why should someone who does not behave with humanity then receive human rights?

I have no desire to see the return of the death penalty, but neither would I be crying if the likes of Brady were sentenced to death. I'll save my tears and outrage for the people - humans with humanity - who deserve it.

[Mise1978]

Normasmuff. Because I think by law they have to force feed in certain situations.

[HoldBackTheRain]

Agree TrojanWhore and also agree with PP who asked you not to refer to him as 'the boy' - his name was Keith Bennett and it reads as very disrespectful not to use his name.

[howthelightgetsin]

People fixating on where the body was buried gave too much power to that monster. I know it would be helpful for the parents to have a body to bury but that was not going to happen.. he was never going to share that piece of information for altruistic reasons and frankly he could have forgotten anyway and just be stringing people along.
How the parents of those children have suffered is beyond comprehension.

[RainbowJack]

LastGirlOnTheLeft

And who decides who deserves it?

That's a slippery slope.

I don't really understand people who start frothing and demanding people like Brady get tortured or should be killed. How does that make them better than a 'monster is human form'.

Some of the violence they come up with makes me think their brains aren't so different.

[Mise1978]

If it is any consolation, he was in a special palliative cancer unit. And he suffered from both Dementia and god awful emphysema. So he must have also on top of those two things had some kind of cancer.

His death was long and painful. Much better than any death penalty.

Sadly for Keith's Family, they will never know. I wonder if they truly couldn't remember? The Moors are big and when I have driven past, all look the same.

[QuietNameChange]

I am against the death penalty, yes.

But that's most because I believe the justice system is very flawed and death is rather permanent. If you do indeed kill the wrong one (obviously not a concern in this case)...
Also because it's useless to deter people from comitting crimes and the death penalty in for example the US tends to cost a lot.

As for the torture aspect. No, I'm not for torture. Simply because you can never trust the information given and because yet again, sometimes innocent people are suspects/sentenced.
But I understand the people wishing someone had gotten the chance to have a go at him, for the family's sakes etc.

[IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday]

I too think he didn't actually know where Keith's body was buried. He was pretending he did, just as a lever to get things he wanted and to continue to hold power over people.

[MrsTrentReznor]

I read that he was moved to a hospital rather than a prison so that they COULD force feed him against his wishes.
I hope it was painful and scary for him.
He spent the last years of his life trying to prove his sanity so he could get into prison again. He couldn't be force fed in prison.
He wanted to die.

[SuperBeagle]

He wanted to die, so to allow him to do that by reinstating the death penalty would be counterintuitive. Much more satisfying to force him to "suffer" all of those years.