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To consider ending my relationship over rape jokes?

540 replies

Genie0709 · 22/04/2016 16:31

Really sorry if this is a bit of an essay but I would appreciate any opinions/advice.

For background, my partner and I are 27 and have been together for 2.5 years. We have known each other since we were about 16. He has been the most loving, supportive, faithful person since we got together. It is a wonderful relationship and we bring out the best in each other. Currently we don't live together but we have recently started looking to buy our first house.

Last night, I was watching a programme on our Ipad which is linked to his phone. At the time, he was on the train home from work. He and his friends were having a group conversation over imessage and every incoming message popped up at the top of the Ipad as I was watching iplayer. One text appeared referring to a girl as "the one that got away, hey MrGenie" and I couldn't help myself - I opened the group chat to see who they were talking about (please no lectures, I already feel terrible and have never felt a need to snoop before). I soon realised that my partner had sent to his friends an instagram picture of a girl in a dress with her chest out. My partner had commented that he didn't know what he would do if he saw her like that. Cue the most disgusting discussion between these men joking that she was asking to be raped wearing that, even a judge would agree, etc. Gang rape was also joked about. My partner was actively participating in this chat, talking about a time when he went home with this girl after a night out and had "finished" in the taxi before they even got home because she was so hot. They didn't end up sleeping together, which he said he was "still gutted about".

Needless to say I am devastated. Reading that conversation was like reading the messages of a stranger. I have never seen this vile side of him and I feel like I don't know him at all. To me, it is so out of character but maybe he is just an absolute arsehole when I am not around. I am disgusted by the things he said and disgusted by his friends. I feel disrespected, humiliated, terrified that I do not know my own boyfriend.

I have been at work today so have avoided seeing him, but we have an appointment with a mortgage adviser tonight so I am supposed to pick him up from work in an hour. Currently, I can't even bare the thought of looking at him.

Am I overreacting - is this something you could get over? I know that these texts were sick jokes but even joking about it crosses a line in my opinion. I am distraught at the thought of ending this relationship but he obviously has this revolting immature side of him that only comes out when he's with his laddy mates. I'm not sure how I would trust him when he goes out with these friends in the future, or how I would ever look his friends in the eye again.

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Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 13:39

I wonder if he will go chatting to his friend now, and talk about you.

UptownFunk00 · 23/04/2016 13:40

I'm a bit worried friends have spoken about the OP now.

EverySongbirdSays · 23/04/2016 13:46

I'm assuming if you stay with him you'll have to socialise with them unless he drops them. Gross.

Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 13:48

I bloody would not go near them.

IcyTeaAndScoopyScoopyDogDog · 23/04/2016 13:51

You can make rape jokes without being a misogynist

How? How can you make rape jokes without the intent of putting a woman in her place, without reducing a woman to being nothing more than an object to be used, without blaming a woman for bringing it on herself.

Tell me a funny non misogynistic rape joke please, Im all ears.

Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 13:55

Did somebody say that Icy Shock, rape is mainly about male empowerment, and control, and reducing a human to an object to be abused and violated. Yes women can rape, and I have read a couple of incidences, but it is mostly about male dominance and control over the woman, and she is reduced to a subordinate position.

CandyFlossBrain · 23/04/2016 13:56

Are his friends ugly and find it hard toi find women?

It's a stereotype that men who enjoy hating women are ugly or frustrated. The most handsome and desirable man in the world can be a misogynist.

IcyTeaAndScoopyScoopyDogDog · 23/04/2016 13:59

Did somebody say that Icy

I believe it was ChilledWarmth above.

I also appear to have namechanged. How strange.

UptownFunk00 · 23/04/2016 13:59

They did unfortunately Aero.

Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 14:00

That is Shock, the apologists on here are awful, this is how some men can justify themselves and their actions.

UptownFunk00 · 23/04/2016 14:02

It's conditioning unfortunately Aero. I can never understand why it would be funny- would these men laugh it was about their Mum or sister?

Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 14:05

I just told dh, and he was disgusted! That kind of person who laughs about it, and finds it funny is not very nice at all, especially who starts it all off in the beginning. If he did not start it, there would be none of this.

Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 14:07

Yes would they find it so funny if it happened to their mum, sister or wife, or dd.

UptownFunk00 · 23/04/2016 14:08

My DH just wonders how it's even supposed to be funny? Just doesn't get it! But then he doesn't find degrading animals or children etc funny either.

Luckily those I know who find this funny are the stopping in the street to say hi only variety!

Genie0709 · 23/04/2016 14:08

Bumblebee no they're not. They're a good looking bunch who do very well with women. Typical laddy blokes. I'm sure you know the type. Someone hit the nail on the head previously with the dapper laughs comment. I have asked him in the past whether he discusses our sex life with them and he said that men only discuss casual conquests with their friends and never girlfriends.

I don't think it would achieve anything asking him to ditch them. They've all been friends for years after meeting at school. In those situations, the woman always ends up being viewed as possessive, got him under the thumb etc. Also as a pp mentioned, he has been the instigator here.

I think my relationship is over to be honest.

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UptownFunk00 · 23/04/2016 14:08

I hope not, or I do despair for society.

UptownFunk00 · 23/04/2016 14:10

You shouldn't have to ask him he should realise they are holding him back if he isn't like that.

UptownFunk00 · 23/04/2016 14:10

Has he said anything since OP ?

EverySongbirdSays · 23/04/2016 14:12

Oh god!!!!!!

It was me said Dapper Laughs.

As in the man who got his TV series cancelled for being a bad rape apologist attempting to legitimize sexual assault and ended up on Newsnight

If that was hitting the nail on the head with who he is........ Sad

Grim. Get the fuck out. If you think it's over it is.

IcyTeaAndScoopyScoopyDogDog · 23/04/2016 14:13

men only discuss casual conquests with their friends and never girlfriends

So they just talk about "easy" women so?

Ive just asked my DP if thats what he does with his friends but he said not a hope, who would want to sit there and listen to the details of our sex life? Equally I dont go on about it to my friends. This isnt Sex and the City.

Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 14:13

Genie you answered your own question, by what you have said, I think it is! He has totally different values and morals to you, that is a biggie. Dh is extremely private, and past relationships are just that, in the past. His friends are similar, intelligent, respectful, and decent chaps.

Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 14:15

Yes and they will be laughing at you trying to get him under the thumb, in weeks to come.

Aeroflotgirl · 23/04/2016 14:17

I can imagine dh feeling quite violated if I discussed our sex life to my friends, I know it sounds quite overraction, but honestly he would.

Genie0709 · 23/04/2016 14:18

It sounds ridiculous now in light of what I saw but I didn't think that was who he was, I just thought this particular group of friends was like that. I assumed that because he'd been friends with them for so long that he just humoured them. They are not his only group of friends and in all honesty, he doesn't spend all that much time with them. They just keep in contact over this group chat.

But nevertheless it has become blindingly obvious that you really are the company you keep.

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UptownFunk00 · 23/04/2016 14:18

Same Aero and I if he did to his.