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AIBU?

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To be concerned this childcare is making DS insecure and sensitive?

216 replies

yellowjellybean · 11/02/2012 22:47

We are close friends with a couple who have a 6 yr old son. The father works full time, late nights because of his industry. The mother works (out of choice, no financial need) full time also. She travels perhaps once a fortnight and is often away for a whole week. Se enjoys her work hugely and the lifestyle that comes with it and doesn't want to give that up.

Their DS is cared for by grandmother and grandfather, and sometimes aunt and uncle. I would say the grandmother and aunt are the main carers in this child's life. He hardly sees mother and father due to work. It has been like this since birth.

As we watch him grow up, he is becoming more and more sensitive, insecure and unsure of himself. He gets extremely distressed for example if his aunt or grandmother show attention or affection to another child. He doesn't have this reaction when it's his mother.

When I talk to them about DS they say it's wonderful he has so many people around him showing him love. I agree that is a wonderful thing, except I think he doesn't feel loved by his mother or father - or at least not as much as he needs. And the love he gets from grandmother and aunt is beginning to be held back a little to try and redress the balance and let him know 'his mother is his mother'.

All in all I think he is confused, and while he gets lots of sporadic love and attention from a large group of adults, he has no one person who is his main 'mother/father figure', who gives continuity and therefore security.

Our children spend a lot of time with their son and increasingly he is showing sensitive and/or jealous behaviour around my children. I don't want to stop being friends but beginning to dread spending time with them because of it.

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WorraLiberty · 11/02/2012 22:49

Gosh that's an awful lot of assumptions OP

EirikurNoromaour · 11/02/2012 22:50

The mother works (out of choice, no financial need) full time also.

YABU because of that ^

You have no idea why the child is insecure and sensitive either. Don't assume it is down to childcare.

Kayano · 11/02/2012 22:54

'out of choice, no financial need' Hmm

Wtf YABU!
And nosey!
And judgemental! So it's all on the mother? She has just as much right to work full time as the father HmmHmmHmm

EauDeLaPoisson · 11/02/2012 22:54

Butt out- just an idea?

Kayano · 11/02/2012 22:56

I can't believe you would
Contemplate not being friends
With them anymore because they work full time! That's the kind of 'friends' people need like a hole in the head

hathorinareddress · 11/02/2012 22:57

YABU

How the fart do you know for sure and certain that there is no financial need for the mother to work for a start. And how very dare you assume that the mother has less right to work than the father.

Neb out would be my advice.

And your judgeypants must be giving you a wedgie you've them pulled up so high.

IUseTooMuchKitchenRoll · 11/02/2012 23:00

YANBU to be concerned, but you will be flamed and told to mind your own business, you are being judgemental yadda yadda.

Fact is though, it cannot be in the child's best interests to live this way, and it does make you wonder why people who want to live the kind of lifestyle you describe even have children.

I would want to spend less time with people like that too. There is nothing you can do about it, so you may as well avoid them instead of having to feel upset for the boy.

yellowjellybean · 11/02/2012 23:03

I know them very well, we see them every day. No assumptions made on financial reasons for working, we know them very, very well.

So I see the little one passed from pillar to post, I see his mother and father hardly ever do anything with him.

The mum for example will fly to NY to shop for a week without DS. The father equally does not spend time with child but he is not off shopping, he's at work and his job does require awfully long hours, own business etc.

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hathorinareddress · 11/02/2012 23:04

How is it any of your business?

WorraLiberty · 11/02/2012 23:04

I mean you're assuming his sensitivity and jealousy is anything to do with that

Laquitar · 11/02/2012 23:09

How do you see them every day if they are so busy and she travells so much?

Do you go to NY with her?

nappymaestro · 11/02/2012 23:15

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MentalMuslimMummy · 11/02/2012 23:15

sorry and i know that im gonna get blasted here but im just gonna say it.

the mother shouldnt have had the kid in the first place. its disgustingly selfish to put yourself first with your high flying job and lifestyle and leave your kid to be brought up by grandparents. fucking outrageous im sorry. makes me livid. it cuts me deep to imagine my babies being brought up by anyone else but me and their father. the kid is gonna be messed up by not having his parents, particularly his mum around. im not saying stay at bloody home the rest of your life and slave after your kids when you have them, but they sure as hell come first and sure as hell didnt ask to be born.

anyway if thats the situation im sticking by what i just said, if there's more to it than that then fair enough, but from what ive heard about these people i feel so sorry for that little boy.

Kayano · 11/02/2012 23:17

If you see them every day op surely their
Son does? Lots of
People have
No choice but to work full time.

What's adoption got to do with it? If you adopt you shouldn't work for 6 months
Used to be the rule, then they cold
Work as they needed to or wished?

I thinks it's terrible to say people who work
Full time shouldn't be parents imo

hathorinareddress · 11/02/2012 23:18

Ok so if the child needs input from a parent and the father and mother both work in high paying jobs, why is no one suggesting the father shouldn't have had the kid in the first place?

Just saying, like.

Kayano · 11/02/2012 23:20

There are
Lots of mothers who don't work full time who are shit mothers so I think it's disgusting to suggest they shouldn't have had a kid.

People can't do right for doing wrong.

Kayano · 11/02/2012 23:21

Precisely hathor flaming 1950s shite and I hate when people go
On about 1950s housewives lol

yellowjellybean · 11/02/2012 23:21

Hathor the friendship is becoming difficult because of it.

It is difficult to maintain a close friendship with a family who have such different views and approaches to family life.

I see them as a family every day, the DS every day. So most of the time I see him with grandmother or aunt, and perhaps 5 or 6 times in his whole life I have seen him with his mother and father. I see mother almost daily when she is not away. We live in very close proximity to each other.

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hathorinareddress · 11/02/2012 23:24

But why should the mother be the one getting slated?

Kayano - I agree totally

So dump them as friends then. Meh. None of your business how they run their lives.

Lots of people are shit parents. Lots of families rely on grandparent childcare, it happens.

I doubt all the child's problems are down to that.

And unless you are a child psychologist who has access to their full family history and medical notes and stuff you don't know either.

Kayano · 11/02/2012 23:24

5 or 6 times in his whole life but see the mother every day when she is not away?
Really?

Well end the friendship then OP, doesn't sound like a great friendship anyway but rather you see them in passing and judge them?

yellowjellybean · 11/02/2012 23:25

Hathor the mother does not have a high paying job. She is an artist but yet to be discovered. Lots of networking and flying around the world, but no paintings sold as yet.

They have his and hers Range Rovers with personalised number plates. I think it's fair to say there are no financial issues.

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hathorinareddress · 11/02/2012 23:28

So what?

Kayano · 11/02/2012 23:28

Why the actual fuck is their financial issues relevant? Or any of
Your business?

They might have over stretched on mortgage or credit cards and need to work to pay it off? You don't know

I think you are judging her for wanting to work when really its nothing to do with you.

yellowjellybean · 11/02/2012 23:28

Our families have been friends for 3 generations, we do know them as they know us, very, very well.

Kayano yes really. That's how many times I have seen mother doing something with her child - outside of the home I should add. We often see them in their home and the grandmother is the one caring for child. She honestly does not get involved.

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hathorinareddress · 11/02/2012 23:29

So what?